Trumpy Trumps no holds barred address to the UN.

My apologies, Allira.

He does imply that he’s invented words: I’m sure he said he was the first to say “groceries”! And some are strange typed words, remember Covfefe? Places, too – – and he said Obama had been “sedatious”.

www.cnn.com/2025/09/23/politics/fact-check-un-speech-claims-trump?cid=android_app
Some fact checking by CNN of the no holds barred speech. Here is a snippet of one of the downright lies from it.
China and wind power: Trump repeated his false claim that although China is the leading manufacturer of wind turbines, “they have very few wind farms” themselves. He added, “So why is it that they build them and they send them all over the world, but they barely use them? You know, they use coal, they use gas, they use almost anything, but they don’t like wind. But they sure as hell like selling the windmills.” In reality, China is the world leader in the generation of wind power and has massive wind farms onshore and offshore; it continues to install additional wind capacity much faster than the US.

If there are people in the hotels with cookery skills, why do they not let a group of them take over the cooking

I don't know. The same way they won't let people hold English classes, sewing groups, set up a creche, hold keep fit sessions or in any way show an ounce of initiative.

JenniferEccles

Gizzy48 the immigrants arriving on small boats or in the back of lorrys have entered our country illegally therefore they are illegal immigrants, and in the main economic migrants too.

What else would you call them?

There was no small boats crisis before Brexit. In a report on the small boat phenomenon by Prof Thom Brooks of Durham University, published in February he concluded the main factor behind the current problem was the government’s post-Brexit deal, and specifically its failure to reach a returns agreement with the EU, so that "unauthorised migrants" to the UK could be returned to the first safe EU country they had entered.

Before Brexit, there was just such an arrangement. But it expired once Britain left and the Conservative government put nothing in its place. In a report on the small boat phenomenon by Prof Thom Brooks of Durham University, published in February he found “no records of any individuals travelling by small boat to claim asylum in 2017 or before”.

This is what any government would have to try to sort out. This government has struck a new bargain with the EU. Will it be the magic to switch off the gangs immediately. No. But there is no government that can have such magic after Brexit and the Conservative deal. Unless you want, as some seem to on here and in the country, to treat these people as Hitler did the Jews. If so you know who to vote for. But don't expect the average member of the public, including those using their vote that way, to come out of such a choice anything other than worse off, much worse off, than they are now.

Trumpety trumpety Trump! 🎺 If we all behaved at work as Trump does at work, the world would be a much worse place, full of conflict and hate!

Let’s get real and not even give him the platform or time off day to comment. He thrives on negative pushbacks any attention especially negative is good for him. The politicians are learning to just not play his game.

He's a nut job - he has many of the indicators of serious mental illness. And yet people believe what he says ......... it is beyond credence.

Stripes Gran:
When the Bibby Stockholm was moored in Portland, a group called the Global Friendship Group organised quite a lot of activities for those men who could bring themselves to come off the barge and into Weymouth, including coastal walks, litter-picking (probably didn’t count as “work” as it was a social thing) and particularly language classes – this is where modern mobile phone technology comes in handy!

They told her it wasn’t all that social on the barge, they were crammed in like sardines with people they didn’t know to begin with, all different ages and nationalities and languages, and as it was a boat, it behaved like a boat when the weather was rough, which distressed some of them as they’d already had some traumatic experiences at sea. Also it was a fire trap as there was only one exit for 200 men unless they jumped into the sea.

I wish there weren’t this immutable rule that they must not work.

If you can, try to get to see the drama series Years and Years, with Emma Thompson, Russell Tovey and Rory Kinnear, on Netflix, Prime etc (you may have to pay). I think it may cause one or two people to look further into this whole issue.

StripeyGran

*If there are people in the hotels with cookery skills, why do they not let a group of them take over the cooking*

I don't know. The same way they won't let people hold English classes, sewing groups, set up a creche, hold keep fit sessions or in any way show an ounce of initiative.

I didn't know that, StripeyGran.

I know there are volunteers who teach English but how can you stop people who want to use a bit of initiative holding keep fit sessions, organising a creche?

The effects of trauma, poor diet and lack of hope plus bullying and abuse from staff extinguishes the spark pretty effectively.

The terror of seeing coaches pull up and wonder if they are for you to be sent to Rwanda.

Well said foxie48, its s pity that the rest of the world has to tolerate this dreadful man.

I think he’s loosing his marbles this is not the way the President of the USA should behave.
He can say what he likes about Sadiq Khan that’s fair game and harmless, rubbishing Climate Change unacceptable, but threatening Russia is dangerous.

Actually David 49 I think it’s high time he threatened Russia, somebody has to and only the US has the might to do it and expect results.
Putin has to be stopped.

Luckily, Russia seems to have disregarded the news that she's a Paper Tiger, with just a laugh up her sleeve at Trump's idiocy.

A "Paper Tiger" with a still substantial nuclear arsenal shouldn't be prodded, Trump doesn't have a prerogative on over-reacting to insults.

Trump, Putin and NettanYahoo are three egotists who are indulging in willy-waving of the most destructive kind.

Each one has modelled himself on Adolf Hitler and it's God help the rest of us.

Ladyleftfieldlover

Replying to suelld.

If only!

I wish there weren’t this immutable rule that they must not work.

That is the awful truth Gizzy48 everyone has the ‘blindfolded’ idea that every immigrant is a sex abuser or criminal of some kind who is just here to cheat us out of money. Which it so far from the truth of course any large number of people can have some bad uns’ within it but the vast majority are fleeing war and hunger and the dreadful results of it
They want to work, and pay taxes many have skills that we need doctors, dentists, opticians (you have to have money to get on the boats) but even without those skills the younger people could be a useful addition to our shores
Unfortunately because the approval or disapproval takes years it’s the building up of numbers that attract the fears of the general public and the wrath of the big mouthed Far Right racists ie Farage and Robinson it’s absolutely the beginnings of a Hitler World we founght so hard to stop

I understand that the eight minute slot by BBC Verify, taking Mr Trump's speech line by line and exposing the untruths, has been well received in the USA.

Allira

StripeyGran

If there are people in the hotels with cookery skills, why do they not let a group of them take over the cooking

I don't know. The same way they won't let people hold English classes, sewing groups, set up a creche, hold keep fit sessions or in any way show an ounce of initiative.

I didn't know that, StripeyGran.

I know there are volunteers who teach English but how can you stop people who want to use a bit of initiative holding keep fit sessions, organising a creche?

Because it will cost the tax payer even more money? Any group will need a suitable space to hold sessions and money needed for items used.
As for all the cooking that goes on in the rooms, not only a very real fire hazard but where do they get the money to buy food to cook every day? I don’t believe it’s chicken nuggets and chips every day in the hotel. We can’t provide the ethnic food all the different nationalities want and if they were allowed to use the hotel kitchen, quite apart from any rows that may erupt as various groups want the use of it at the same time, there are hygiene and insurance rules about hotel kitchens.

I think its become such a problem for the asylum seekers as the length of time they spend in hotels is quite ridiculous.It’s the main thing the government needs to do, speeding up processing the claims.

Chocolatelovinggran

I understand that the eight minute slot by BBC Verify, taking Mr Trump's speech line by line and exposing the untruths, has been well received in the USA.

"Donald Trump's speech to the United Nations was one of the clearest expositions of the way he sees the world, his ideology in its rawest form."

This analysis from the BBC. There is a video of the speech and an interesting written analysis.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c179p4wvz29o

Oreo

Allira

StripeyGran

If there are people in the hotels with cookery skills, why do they not let a group of them take over the cooking

I don't know. The same way they won't let people hold English classes, sewing groups, set up a creche, hold keep fit sessions or in any way show an ounce of initiative.

I didn't know that, StripeyGran.

I know there are volunteers who teach English but how can you stop people who want to use a bit of initiative holding keep fit sessions, organising a creche?

Because it will cost the tax payer even more money? Any group will need a suitable space to hold sessions and money needed for items used.
As for all the cooking that goes on in the rooms, not only a very real fire hazard but where do they get the money to buy food to cook every day? I don’t believe it’s chicken nuggets and chips every day in the hotel. We can’t provide the ethnic food all the different nationalities want and if they were allowed to use the hotel kitchen, quite apart from any rows that may erupt as various groups want the use of it at the same time, there are hygiene and insurance rules about hotel kitchens.

The tax payer would be saving if people were permitted to be of some use and allowed to have a stake in their future.
They bring with them skills and resilience and ideas.

I am not aware of different nationalities demanding different types of food. Why would rows erupt? Like the rows that erupt in shared Church kitchens or various cookery projects you mean?

Different countries have all sorts of food preferences don’t they?
Yes, any shared kitchen can cause problems, if you imagine the amount of people in the hotels you can imagine arguing and all sorts happening.
A hotel wouldn’t allow this in any case, it has to be a hygienic place with rules and only kitchen staff and chefs allowed the use of it.

What if some of the people seeking asylum are chefs?

What if the kitchen staff could oversee such efforts and the residents could be the workforce?

There is so much that could be done to help, to restore diginity, to occupy mind and body. It would cost absolutely nothing in some cases.
But no, leave them trapped in their rooms, trouble fermenting.

Agree

Oreo

Different countries have all sorts of food preferences don’t they?
Yes, any shared kitchen can cause problems, if you imagine the amount of people in the hotels you can imagine arguing and all sorts happening.
A hotel wouldn’t allow this in any case, it has to be a hygienic place with rules and only kitchen staff and chefs allowed the use of it.

I know you're right for all kinds of reasons, but it does seem a pity and it is dangerous for families to be cooking like that in their rooms.
Where is Health and Safety when they're needed?