Trump attacks Sadiq Khan at UN 🤨

Trump sets out to spark awareness and he is entitled to say what he thinks

MayBee70

Is it true that he was only supposed to speak for 15 minutes but rambled on for an hour? Someone said on Sky News that if Biden had rambled on like that it would have been regarded as proof of his senility.

58 minutes according to The Guardian, and notably repeating himself and rambling.

The other delegates sat in total silence - maybe they were losing the will to live?

Exactly LizzieDrip.
We cannot protect one group from racist remarks and then leave another group wide open to all comers.
It is either one and all or we are hypocrites.

LizzieDrip

fancythat

I cant help thinking that using the words racist or Islamophobic is just name calling,.

In the same way that using the term antisemitic is name calling?

I need to look into that.
I dont know what the word is supposed to mean exactly, and how it is used.
I know no one in real life who uses that term.
I presume it can be name calling too?
As I said, I need to look into it

And quite frankly, I have a grandchild born today! So my mind is sometimes a bit elsewhere!!

karmalady

Trump sets out to spark awareness and he is entitled to say what he thinks

I guess it's OK to lie , as long as everybody realises what he says is a lie. Hopefully, his lies will eventually backfire on him. Rather than inciting people to hatred (which is what his aim seems to be), people will stop believing any word which comes out of his mouth.

Stating that somebody wants Sharia Law implies that person wants to commit treason because it would be undermining the actual law. That's pretty serious if it's not true.

Babs03

Exactly LizzieDrip.
We cannot protect one group from racist remarks and then leave another group wide open to all comers.
It is either one and all or we are hypocrites.

All I can say for now is, if that word is used as name calling, then that is wrong behaviour too.

karmalady

Trump sets out to spark awareness and he is entitled to say what he thinks

He is. It’s not to his credit that he takes 58 minutes to say what can be said in 15 minutes by a more focussed speaker though. He constantly exposes himself to criticism by rambling, bigging himself up, and not sticking to the point.

fancythat

LizzieDrip

fancythat

I cant help thinking that using the words racist or Islamophobic is just name calling,.

In the same way that using the term antisemitic is name calling?

I need to look into that.
I dont know what the word is supposed to mean exactly, and how it is used.
I know no one in real life who uses that term.
I presume it can be name calling too?
As I said, I need to look into it

And quite frankly, I have a grandchild born today! So my mind is sometimes a bit elsewhere!!

Ah well! When you have time, maybe you'd like to rewrite that article you said you'd rewrite - while you're at it, you could rewrite some dictionary definitions.

I cant help thinking that using the words racist or Islamophobic is just name calling,.

In the same way that using the term antisemitic is name calling?
A good question, LizzieDrip because I suspect that a poster may well be suspended, rightly or wrongly, if their post is reported as being antisemitic.

growstuff

fancythat

LizzieDrip

fancythat

I cant help thinking that using the words racist or Islamophobic is just name calling,.

In the same way that using the term antisemitic is name calling?

I need to look into that.
I dont know what the word is supposed to mean exactly, and how it is used.
I know no one in real life who uses that term.
I presume it can be name calling too?
As I said, I need to look into it

And quite frankly, I have a grandchild born today! So my mind is sometimes a bit elsewhere!!

Ah well! When you have time, maybe you'd like to rewrite that article you said you'd rewrite - while you're at it, you could rewrite some dictionary definitions.

Not going to rewrite the article now it has become clearer that the opening post was a muddle to most.

I myself thought that a poster had written about half the words, when it was a newspaper.

All of which of course, you well know.

^ you could rewrite some dictionary definitions.^

I dont need to rewrite those.
I am poitning out, again as you presumably very well know, there are many definitons.

People need to be clear what they are saying.

Another regularly used racist trope is that Muslims treat women badly. Will put that to bed as well. There are many non Muslim societies where some women can be treated badly, this is normally down to patriarchal cultures, and can happen in any country regardless of religion, indeed women from the Bible Belt in the US are probably not allowed the freedoms we would expect of a woman in a western society. Many Muslim women, however, carve out demanding careers for themselves encouraged to do this by mothers and fathers who don’t think their place is in the home, and are not the cowed or submissive little women we might imagine them to be. They are brash and bold and supporting programmes and initiatives in their areas to empower other women. I have yet to meet one who submits to the men in her family.
Again this is something I shouldn’t need to explain but hey ho.

I read the Opinion article written by Sadiq Khan in the Guardian (16.09.'25) which goes some way to explain Trump's on going feud and attack on Khan, but the UN was not the place to deliver it. I have a recollection of Khan holding a letter he had written concerning Trump's latest visit, but can find no reference to it so am unable to quote from it.

I do not care for Sadiq Khan, nor his behaviour as Mayor, and for people to claim his actions in London are of no concern to people outside London is specious. He has an immensely influential role. Most of the population are not gullible fools and are capable of rational thought.

There are thought to be between 30-85 Sharia Councils or Courts operating in Britain at present. Sharia courts advise on matters religious and financial in civil disputes but their decisions do not overrule UK law, and have no legal jurisdiction or binding authority. But some members within the Muslim community are not aware/do not believe this; evidence based on conversations with Muslim parents and British lawyers who work with them.

Halakha also governs things like marriage and divorce, financial arrangements etc and has formal processes relating to various aspects of life, through the Beth Din.

No one (me included) seems to have any issue with this. All religions tend to try to govern the way people live their lives

Look at the Christian nationalists in the USA.

In fact the two Middle Eastern religious have so very much in common.

Why is Khan considered a "horrible" Mayor? What evidence is there that he wants to introduce Sharia law?

And what the hell has it got to do with Trump? Representing a country that experiences mass killings on a regular basis, he is hardly the person to lecture the UK. He is a fool and a violent, spiteful rabble rouser.

The Islamic mediation courts are not part of our legal system Judaism also has mediation courts which are outside our legal system. Personally, I do not agree with either informal system since they reinforce male dominance. However, if we want to see the end to such systems we will not achieve it by marginalising and demonising certain groups. It will have the opposite effect.

Eloethan

Why is Khan considered a "horrible" Mayor? What evidence is there that he wants to introduce Sharia law?

And what the hell has it got to do with Trump? Representing a country that experiences mass killings on a regular basis, he is hardly the person to lecture the UK. He is a fool and a violent, spiteful rabble rouser.

Agree.
And it bewilders me how those who pushed for Brexit and reclaiming our sovereignty are more than happy to let Trump and Musk meddle in our affairs.

Eloethan

The Islamic mediation courts are not part of our legal system Judaism also has mediation courts which are outside our legal system. Personally, I do not agree with either informal system since they reinforce male dominance. However, if we want to see the end to such systems we will not achieve it by marginalising and demonising certain groups. It will have the opposite effect.

The only people who can put an end to Islamic and Jewish courts are Muslims and Jews themselves because they are the only people to whom the laws are applicable. The laws are worth nothing in the UK legal system.

If people are concerned that women are being duped by the laws, they could try telling them, but it's up to them if they accept it. It's no different from Catholics who wouldn't use contraceptives or divorce as a result of religious belief, when the law of the land stipulated that they could.

Has anybody found any example of Sadiq Khan trying to extend Sharia Law?

Fancythat
You posted I don’t know what the word is supposed to mean exactly and how it is used
I’ll describe this true situation as simply as I can so that you might understand.

We had a situation in the shop where I volunteer. We have a lady from Nigeria who buys a lot of goods from us. Every transaction with her takes about half an hour because she haggles ( that means she wants a discount) just in case you didn’t understand the word.
After she had left the shop one of the volunteers said typical black
Now factually that is incorrect and is disrespectful to all black peoples.
Btw. She was told to leave the shop and never return.
Do you get it now ?

Good for her - I reckon we could do more of that. Both my ACs haggle with Virgin and pay about half what I do for exactly the same service, which annoys me, but the ball as they say is in my court.

And what about the Lady from Nigeria who haggles every time to beat down the price of goods donated to raise money for charity?

petra

Fancythat
You posted I don’t know what the word is supposed to mean exactly and how it is used
I’ll describe this true situation as simply as I can so that you might understand.

We had a situation in the shop where I volunteer. We have a lady from Nigeria who buys a lot of goods from us. Every transaction with her takes about half an hour because she haggles ( that means she wants a discount) just in case you didn’t understand the word.
After she had left the shop one of the volunteers said typical black
Now factually that is incorrect and is disrespectful to all black peoples.
Btw. She was told to leave the shop and never return.
Do you get it now ?

Thanks Petra - a straightforward example of racism for anyone struggling to understand what racism is.

I’m glad to hear the racist volunteer was asked to leave the shop. You can do without people like her.

you can keep the orange

eazybee

And what about the Lady from Nigeria who haggles every time to beat down the price of goods donated to raise money for charity?

Then don’t reduce the price - simples 😊 or alternatively you could explain the situation to her. It is good to talk.

I am always in awe of people who haggle so successfully.

We tried it once in Mexico, and somehow managed to haggle the price up😃