Maccabi Tel Aviv football club banned

Looks like Ajax were also banned after the disturbances in Amsterdam -

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So, is it antisemitism or just even handed concerns over fan safety?
I also agree that this should be a closed match without any fans allowed to attend in order not to cause offence.

You know all about the trouble in Amsterdam * Maremia* so why question it.
The Tel Aviv fans did tear down the Palestinian flag and burned it.Imagine if a visiting team from the West Bank had gone there and been faced with the flag of Israel! Poor policing and security to not have taken down any flags beforehand.
That one incident seems to have crazed Ajax fans and a few residents and they did go after any Israeli fans like animals, chasing them down and attacking them. Some of the Tel Aviv fans were with young family members.It was shocking.

It’s a mixture of antisemitism and safety concerns as the police don’t want to have to police huge numbers of Birmingham residents going there to cause trouble and attacking Jewish fans.
If we can’t police this then we may as well give up.

We can police it of course if the will is there.Look at the policing needed in London every week.

It looks as though the Maccabi fans aren't above causing trouble. Burning the Palestinian flag is incitement to violence. They were in another country and should behave better.
I can't condone violence of any kind.
It was a stupid thing to do when they were vastly outnumbered.

Oreo

It’s a mixture of antisemitism and safety concerns as the police don’t want to have to police huge numbers of Birmingham residents going there to cause trouble and attacking Jewish fans.
If we can’t police this then we may as well give up.

Yes.

It is giving in to those who will cause trouble because they are anti-semitic.
I thought the UK was better than that.

If we can’t police this then we may as well give up.
Yes, again, but how sad that this is happening at sporting events.

Whatever happened to sport?

AGAA4

It looks as though the Maccabi fans aren't above causing trouble. Burning the Palestinian flag is incitement to violence. They were in another country and should behave better.
I can't condone violence of any kind.
It was a stupid thing to do when they were vastly outnumbered.

Why was a Palestinian flag flying in Amsterdam anyway?

You have to look very closely at everything those Maccabi fans while abroad. They caused disturbances in a host city.
Would they do the same in England?
I still say ban the troublemakerls. I have been saying that right from the top of the Thread.
Don't make excuses for them. Their behaviour was appalling. All football thuggery is appalling.
Another Poster said play with no fans attending.
That is probably an easier solution.
Why should the hosts and the Police and local fans have to worry about the same happening here.?

People support Palestine all over the world so the flag may have been there for some time. If Maccabi fans behave like this in someone else's country then it will incite violence.

Why should visitors feel they have a tight to pull down another person's flag?

The policing needed in London is often for wee old folk sitting quietly on pavements with placards.
Not young aggressive football fans, who have already shown how they can act when abroad.

The irony.
I cannot move for people saying the British flags should be removed from our streets.
Starmer and the police commissioner have clearly said this was the wrong decision.

Oreo of course this can be policed but it means many more police being taken away from other crime in the city. They know that there is likely to be violence and people will be hurt.

The only other way to do this is to keep the Maccabi fans in one area. I think this is done anyway. They can control things better inside the stadium. After the match police could escort Maccabi to buses located nearby and get them far away as soon as possible.
This has been successfully done before where there was likely to be violence.

Maremia

The policing needed in London is often for wee old folk sitting quietly on pavements with placards.
Not young aggressive football fans, who have already shown how they can act when abroad.

Ah yes, the wee old folk🤬

All football fans aren’t violent or destructive but there is a core element in every club in the world.That shouldn’t mean they aren’t welcome to travel.

Celtic and Rangers matches must need some clever policing for instance.

And that’s here in the UK!

AGAA4

Oreo of course this can be policed but it means many more police being taken away from other crime in the city. They know that there is likely to be violence and people will be hurt.

The only other way to do this is to keep the Maccabi fans in one area. I think this is done anyway. They can control things better inside the stadium. After the match police could escort Maccabi to buses located nearby and get them far away as soon as possible.
This has been successfully done before where there was likely to be violence.

Police are taken away from other crime in their thousands for the regular pro Palestine marches.

Yes AGAA4 it can be done if the will is there.

I don't think there have been many seriously violent clashes with police in London over the marches. Most people on them really don't want to be caught in a massive fight. There is usually a mixture of men women and children too.
It's mainly men fired up on testosterone at football matches who are likely to turn to violence very quickly if they are riled.

Yes, those wee old folk.
The idea of banning a football club because of fan behaviour, is not a new concept. English clubs have been banned for that.
The plant to play without any fans, is not a new concept.
Trouble is, the trouble was mostly outside of the stadium.

Maremia

The policing needed in London is often for wee old folk sitting quietly on pavements with placards.
Not young aggressive football fans, who have already shown how they can act when abroad.

And sometimes it's needed for thugs like the Oxford university student (now arrested but unfortunately not on the day) who led the chants of "Gaza, Gaza make us proud, put the Zios in the ground"

www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/25543711.oxford-university-student-named-violent-zios-chant/

Oreo Police are taken away from other crime in their thousands for the regular pro Palestine marches. agree and that hasn't been seen as a problem to justify banning.

How do the local people feel about it? Knowing what happened in Holland?

Maremia

How do the local people feel about it? Knowing what happened in Holland?

I don't think they were asked, no more than Londoners are consulted about the disruption to London caused by protest marches and blockades for every and any cause.

Rosie, all and every racist thugs should be dealt with. No matter what side they say they are on.
How do you feel about potentially aggressive football thugs bring their atrocious behaviour over here, and doing more than chanting?