Maccabi Tel Aviv football club banned

You do all realise that these particular football 'fans' have form?

As I have said I don't agree with banning but there are ways to manage this without violent clashes.
Some on here seem to think that if the police are there then no violence. That doesn't stop hooligans wherever they are from.

There is a preacher here in Birmingham who has urged people to 'show no mercy' to the Israeli fans were they to attend. Is that what we want?

Clashes in Norway and Italy as well? I haven't read up on that, yet.
How did that go down?

No we don’t want that preacher Kate1949. He needs to be told that he’s breaking the law.

The PM, the police commissioner and now the UEFA have all said it is not the right decision.

I think that preacher has to be investigated. Where can we research this, Kate?

Well then, it will probably be reversed.

I'm not good at links but it's on the Daily Mail online. He preaches hate and people like him are probably what Villa are worried about.

Maremia

Rosie, all and every racist thugs should be dealt with. No matter what side they say they are on.
How do you feel about potentially aggressive football thugs bring their atrocious behaviour over here, and doing more than chanting?

Well there is usually a section of potentially aggressive football thugs in every visiting team's followers, and we deal with it not by banning all away supporters. When the objection to the fans is based on wholesale antisemitism then that is unforgivable.

It is as well to remember that all English football teams were banned from European competition for 5 years following the awful behaviour of Liverpool fans at Heysel. That too punished the innocent along with the guilty and drew much resentment from other clubs and fans.

Maremia

You do all realise that these particular football 'fans' have form?

What all of them? You know that for a fact?

Perhaps the game should be held in camera and all fans banned. That doesn’t not, however, protect the safety of the visiting players from the visiting team who are now very worried. If Aston Villa and the police cannot guarantee safety the game should be played elsewhere.

What is this country coming to? Next thing is Tottenham fans won’t be allowed to go to Aston Villa either. Although thos games come under the jurisdiction of the England FA and Aston Villa would be charged as a Club and possibly banned from several games. This game is under the jurisdiction of UEFA and that body should be taking a stand. Will it though?

This won't be the usual antipathy between clubs but enhanced because there is a general hatred of Israel by some people.
The violence could be a lot worse as happened in Amsterdam.

Think I used the word 'particular' meaning the ones that are already known to the police, and as you have read the whole thread, you will remember that I suggested banning the those 'particular' fans who have already caused trouble in Holland, Norway and Italy.
I do believe that 'particular' England fans have been named and banned in this way.
So, the word is 'particular' and not 'all'.
Hope this helps

Has anyone yet read up about what happened in Norway and Italy.

That is concerning Kate. Most likely he has been reported.

If, as above, the police commissioner is against the banning, then it should all go well.

In fact Kate, if it is already in MSM then it will be investigated.

See above Avalon, from a post it looks as if UEFA thinks it should go ahead.

I think the potential for orchestrated violence is much, much bigger than two sets of football fans and beyond the capabilities of the police to control.

There are angry people set on violence on both sides. It might be possible to police the relatively small number of those who fly over and ensure that they don’t cause trouble, but I don’t think it will be possible to police the large numbers of those living here who will gather at this event.

He's not the only one unfortunately Maremia. I don't see the point of reporting someone whose views are in the press. Surely the authorities know of him?

Maremia

I think that preacher has to be investigated. Where can we research this, Kate?

His name is Astar Rashid, he is on X ranting about Jews and good Muslims

Yes, it's not up to you Kate. Hopefully he is under scrutiny now that the story is mainstream.

I agree with banning the known troublemakers fans

Banning all fans sounds like antisemitism to me.

Birmingham has a large Muslim
Community, the MP lead a petition for all of the fans to be banned.

Thanks GG, but I don't have X just now. He will have drawn 'attention', and as Kate says, he is also on in MSM.