Maccabi Tel Aviv football club banned

StripeyGran

Whitewavemark2

I do hope however, that if the Israeli supporters are allowed to attend that they dial down their rhetoric 😮😮. It was pretty shocking.

No no no, they are the good guys here. And we should all be ashamed of our country apparently.

When everybody knows the pro Palestine UK thugs are the real good guys.

"Gaza Gaza make us proud put those Zios in the ground." Zios, a term coined by a former grand master of the KKK. And now used by a privileged white man studying at a prestigious UK university.
Then chanted back by the crowds of pro Palestian protestors.

"From the river to the sea Palestine shall be free" (of Jews is never explicitly said but that's what they want) An attitude endorsed by CariadAgain on here.

Of course Netanyahu has gone way too far in the eyes of many, and the Palestinians need aid and help to rebuild, but the level of antisemitism, however it's dressed up, so openly displayed these days is horrifying.

I wonder why some Jewish children and adults are frightened and feeling the need to conceal their Jewishness in this country yet Christians, Muslims, Hindus and Sikhs appear not to. A real mystery.

Isn’t this about football fans behaviour?

Conflating it to racism is unfortunate.

Are you saying that there is no islamaphobia in the UK.
What about those rioters around the asylum hotels?
Not too many generations ago, there was anti Catholic, anti Irish hatred in London and elsewhere, during the IRA bombing campaigns.

Oh stop with all the ‘ conflating this and conflating that’
Of course it isn’t all about football fans behaviour!
It’s about banning an Israeli team’s fans from coming into England in case pro Palestinians outside the ground cause trouble seeing lots of Israeli Jews and not being able to control their own violence towards them.
Then the police and Birmingham Council presumably being lily livered and saying they can’t possibly make things secure.

Maremia

Are you saying that there is no islamaphobia in the UK.
What about those rioters around the asylum hotels?
Not too many generations ago, there was anti Catholic, anti Irish hatred in London and elsewhere, during the IRA bombing campaigns.

Ooh look there’s a squirrel!

Ooo, you are just so funny.
But please, conflation exists no matter how much you attempt to deflect.
Or maybe you don't think racism towards other groups is of importance?

Whitewavemark2

Isn’t this about football fans behaviour?

Conflating it to racism is unfortunate.

The point is the Israeli football fans are subject to baiting and antisemitism. I'm not defending bad behaviour by either faction but don't pretend the pro Palestine groups are innocent. Just because they're football fans doesn't make them immune to antisemitism or racism.

Israelis/Jews are a tiny minority of the world's population but they're being blamed for every confrontation and aggression.

WWM2 are you at all concerned that some Jewish people are frightened to be 'openly Jewish' ?

I’ve just seen footage of what happened after the Amsterdam match on Ch4 News [ sad]. The police are just trying to protect people. Isn’t that why people are supposed to be protesting outside migrant hotels…to protect our citizens? On top of that my partner said he’s only been to two or three football grounds where kids ask you to pay them money to protect your car ( one of the others being Liverpool) and the Villa ground is one of them.

Just where, on this Thread has any Poster claimed that violent pro Palestinians are 'innocent'?
Is this more about confusion than conflation?

Let's be fair the Maccabi fans have been inciting violence too or doesn't F*ck Palestine count? Or burning the Palestine flag? It's not all the 'others' who are out of line.

Maremia

Are you saying that there is no islamaphobia in the UK.
What about those rioters around the asylum hotels?
Not too many generations ago, there was anti Catholic, anti Irish hatred in London and elsewhere, during the IRA bombing campaigns.

Of course there's Islamaphobia in the UK. Has anybody said there isn't? Perhaps you'll remind me of the sports teams from Islamic countries whose supporters have been banned because we can't guarantee to keep our home grown thugs in line. I'll wait.

Rosie51

Whitewavemark2

Isn’t this about football fans behaviour?

Conflating it to racism is unfortunate.

The point is the Israeli football fans are subject to baiting and antisemitism. I'm not defending bad behaviour by either faction but don't pretend the pro Palestine groups are innocent. Just because they're football fans doesn't make them immune to antisemitism or racism.

Israelis/Jews are a tiny minority of the world's population but they're being blamed for every confrontation and aggression.

WWM2 are you at all concerned that some Jewish people are frightened to be 'openly Jewish' ?

Of course I am, I think it is dreadful that some people are too frightened to live their life openly. But that is about racism and how all sorts of people suffer from its consequences, what we are talking about is football fans, who frankly are frequently a pain in the arse when their behaviour is violent.

However, I do urge you to look at the footage relating to the Israeli fans behaviour, and I think you may understand why the English football club is so concerned.

Their chants and violent behaviour were pretty dreadful, and I’m not a bit surprised that they have been told that they were no longer welcomed, and why the English club is very nervous about their attendance.

I think if their own football club could guarantee their behaviour, then I think it would go some way into allowing their attendance.

Rosie51 you don't seem to understand. The reason people are antagonistic to Israel is because of what has happened in Gaza.
It has nothing to do with religion for most. No other fans are being banned because no other country is attacking Palestinians.
I'm not saying it's right that Israelis are treated like this. They are not their extreme right government .

But it was said upthread Rosie. Have a read back.

I think if their own football club could guarantee their behaviour, then I think it would go some way into allowing their attendance.

If that is the criteria for away fans to attend I don't think there would be many clubs that could fulfil it, whether domestic or international. Perhaps that's the way forward, no away fans at any football match. I love football but hate the vile chants on a weekly basis at English football clubs. However I'd hate for away fans to be excluded.

Didn’t some English clubs become much more proactive when their teams played in other countries?

It’s the least we could do given their behaviour.

It is the criteria Rosie, and that's why some English club fans have also been banned from travelling. Easy to find on Google, so no need to wait for me to do your research.

what we are talking about is football fans, who frankly are frequently a pain in the arse when their behaviour is violent.

No, we're not, although Gransnetters may be doing that.

We are talking about the police force using the excuse that they may not be able to protect the fans from Israel from protest groups in the UK.

As I already said - shameful.

Amsterdam police and prosecutors said "antisemitic" rioters "actively sought out" Israeli supporters to attack and assault them. Footage emerged online which showed fans pulling down a Palestinian flag in central Amsterdam and anti-Arab chants could be heard.
A report from the Amsterdam mayor's office said the violence stemmed from a "toxic combination of antisemitism, hooliganism and anger" about the war between Israel and Gaza and other conflicts in the Middle East.
From Sky News.
Birmingham has been warned and has plenty of time to prepare, I recall being herded to one side of the concourse at B'ham's New Street Station to allow a mob of football hooligans be escorted by many police to buses to take them away.If they fear violence the match can be played behind closed doors, but it is deeply unfair to ban the supporters of only one side; this most certainly would be racist.

Maremia

But it was said upthread Rosie. Have a read back.

I've read back a bit, can't find a post that says there's no Islamaphobia. As you know the post could you please either link to it or post the name of the poster and the time of the post. Thanks.

Maremia

It is the criteria Rosie, and that's why some English club fans have also been banned from travelling. Easy to find on Google, so no need to wait for me to do your research.

Oh passive aggressive insults now, what fun!

eazybee

^Amsterdam police and prosecutors said "antisemitic" rioters "actively sought out" Israeli supporters to attack and assault them. Footage emerged online which showed fans pulling down a Palestinian flag in central Amsterdam and anti-Arab chants could be heard.^
A report from the Amsterdam mayor's office said the violence stemmed from a "toxic combination of antisemitism, hooliganism and anger" about the war between Israel and Gaza and other conflicts in the Middle East.
From Sky News.
Birmingham has been warned and has plenty of time to prepare, I recall being herded to one side of the concourse at B'ham's New Street Station to allow a mob of football hooligans be escorted by many police to buses to take them away.If they fear violence the match can be played behind closed doors, but it is deeply unfair to ban the supporters of only one side; this most certainly would be racist.

Yes, I remember it, eazybee

Surprising how the facts become more fluid over time.

In the Johan Cruyff Arena, just before kick-off, Tel Aviv fans ignored a moment of silence honouring recent flood victims in Spain, triggering more hostilities inside the stadium

They seem delighful all round.

Allira

^what we are talking about is football fans, who frankly are frequently a pain in the arse when their behaviour is violent^.

No, we're not, although Gransnetters may be doing that.

We are talking about the police force using the excuse that they may not be able to protect the fans from Israel from protest groups in the UK.

As I already said - shameful.

I agree.

Jewish people around the world are penalised for acts they have no control over, many have never set foot in Israel or voted for the current government.

It's from your own post Rosie, that only one group can reveal who they are.