Maccabi Tel Aviv football club banned

Beinng anti- semitics is evil.
This ban is not about being anti -semitic
This ban was an attempt to prevent two groups of racist thugs coming together at a public event and posing a danger to the innocent majority.

Getting a bit tired of being " shamed"

Most of us are doing our best in challenging circumstances. And trying to make some sense of things.

StripeyGran

Getting a bit tired of being " shamed"

Most of us are doing our best in challenging circumstances. And trying to make some sense of things.

We can't feel responsible for the way others behave. I have never been a hooligan or hated anyone because of their race or religion. Those who do these things should be ashamed but they aren't.

You mean the huge crowds of Pro Palestinians who may well descend on Birmingham if the match goes ahead with Israeli fans present to watch it, who also may well try to attack and even kill those Jewish fans?That kind of hate? Yes, anyone who condones that should be very ashamed.
As a country we should also be ashamed if we can’t protect them so find it easier to say they can’t come here.

The police aren't just concerned about Maccabi. Lots of people could be injured if there is fighting. The British police are there to look after British people mostly not to protect violent away fans who could easily start the trouble as we have seen.

There are lists available through Google and now on Facebook of other Clubs who have been banned for yes, the antisocial behaviour of particular fans when they have been following their team in away matches.
This is a public order issue.

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Maremia

Who is condoning what Oreo?
Condoning the wish for public order?
Give those squirrels a rest.

Give those squirrels a rest.

You cannot order others to stop posting even if you wish they would, Maremia.

Gransnet is not and should not be, a group of nodding dogs.
"Ah yes".

StripeGran as a society do you not think we should try to uphold certain standards?

I guess Oreo means condoning those who, with no interest in the football match, would gather outside the ground purely to harass supporters of the Israeli team.

This wouldn’t be about two opposing sets of fans as in other cases of banning. It would be about harassing people purely because of their nationality.

Starmer is right on this occasion. Additional resources should be provided to suppress unlawful behaviours. We cannot ban potential victims to mollify those who might attack them. Mob rule must not prevail.

Yes Lathyrus3

If the police were concerned about the small percentage of football hooligans at ant match the majority of matches would be played in empty stadiums.

This is because of the threat to the Israelis, as I posted up thread, there are many voices on X including an Imam calling for all good Muslims to do their duty and show no mercy to these visitors to our country.

If that’s not antisemitism, then I give up 🤷‍♀️

Nobody is condoning hurting people.

Allira

Maremia

Who is condoning what Oreo?
Condoning the wish for public order?
Give those squirrels a rest.

Give those squirrels a rest.

You cannot order others to stop posting even if you wish they would, Maremia.

Gransnet is not and should not be, a group of nodding dogs.
"Ah yes".

StripeGran as a society do you not think we should try to uphold certain standards?

Try preaching that to the most frequent offenders who try to order others what to post.

Lathyrus3

I guess Oreo means condoning those who, with no interest in the football match, would gather outside the ground purely to harass supporters of the Israeli team.

This wouldn’t be about two opposing sets of fans as in other cases of banning. It would be about harassing people purely because of their nationality.

That’s exactly it, and not hard to understand tho a few can’t seem to.🤷🏼‍♀️

Of course standards should be maintained. Maccabi has a reputation for anti-Arab racism, even within Israel.

Polish side Legia Warsaw was banned from selling tickets for away matches after violence at Aston Villa in 2023. Eintracht Frankfurt fans have been banned from attending a forthcoming Champions League match against Napoli.

Maccabi isn't the only team which has had fans banned for racist and violent behaviour. In the other cases it has had absolutely nothing to do with antisemitism. It's up to the club to sort its fans out. If fans are going to chant “Death to the Arabs” and “Let the IDF f*ck the Arabs”, they can't complain about being punished.

Oreo

Lathyrus3

I guess Oreo means condoning those who, with no interest in the football match, would gather outside the ground purely to harass supporters of the Israeli team.

This wouldn’t be about two opposing sets of fans as in other cases of banning. It would be about harassing people purely because of their nationality.

That’s exactly it, and not hard to understand tho a few can’t seem to.🤷🏼‍♀️

No, it's about banning fans who have a history of racism.

If fans are going to chant “Death to the Arabs” and “Let the IDF f*ck the Arabs”, they can't complain about being punished

Apparently it's fine, they are the victims and we are to feel shame.

I don't think so.

StripeyGran

Nobody is condoning hurting people.

Condoning the intent to gather to harass others and to prevent them from doing a very ordinary thing, like attending a football match.

Whether they do this on the spot or whether they threaten violence so that people are kept away by fear, it is the same intent.

It is possible to condone directly by openly supporting the intent, but also by supporting that those threatened should be made to follow the demands of these who threaten,

The ban has had precedent for other clubs, sadly some English ones, who were not allowed to travel abroad,
for PUBLIC ORDER CONCERNS.

If Maccabi come I can see that there will be trouble unless it is handled extremely well. It could mean far too many police in that area taking them from other duties.
With the situation in Gaza and racist fans arriving people will react.

You mean like all the police removed from normal duties to deal with the recent protest by supporters of Palestine Action?

It’s the safety of the local community we should be worried about, as the police have already identified the concerns

growstuff

Oreo

Lathyrus3

I guess Oreo means condoning those who, with no interest in the football match, would gather outside the ground purely to harass supporters of the Israeli team.

This wouldn’t be about two opposing sets of fans as in other cases of banning. It would be about harassing people purely because of their nationality.

That’s exactly it, and not hard to understand tho a few can’t seem to.🤷🏼‍♀️

No, it's about banning fans who have a history of racism.

You are claiming, then, that all the fans of this club are racist football thugs?

Do you know them all individually?

There are racists amongst all football followers. There are racists everywhere. Do we make a blanket ban on all football fans, on gatherings of people anywhere because there might be a few racists amongst them?

How far so you suggest we take this?

Maybe if the clubs themselves made a concerted effort to eradicate racist 'fans', this wouldn't be an issue.

Smileless2012

Maybe if the clubs themselves made a concerted effort to eradicate racist 'fans', this wouldn't be an issue.

Yes.

The UK does this. It's very difficult with the situation at the moment, though, as it would take an immense amount of self-control for any fans if faced with taunts from protest groups outside the ground.