Breaking Peace in the Middle East? Continued thread.

GrannyGravy13

CariadAgain I have not heard of Kim Everson.

If this had been verified it would be on mainstream news and media outlets and when I looked it was not.

I couldn't find Kim Everson either.

The only Israeli Prime Minister who has been implicated has been Ehud Barak - and I have no idea whether there's any truth in the allegations.

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GrannyGravy13

CariadAgain I have not heard of Kim Everson.

If this had been verified it would be on mainstream news and media outlets and when I looked it was not.

I couldn't find Kim Everson either.

The only Israeli Prime Minister who has been implicated has been Ehud Barak - and I have no idea whether there's any truth in the allegations.

I've subsequently found that that was the relevant one of their Prime Ministers she's referring to.

Understandable for someone to say who it was at one point and then be reticent about it at another point - given she would have been scared and she had a family to protect. I guess these things depend (ie speaking out) depend a lot on how much courage one has had to demonstrate to get through one's life to date and whether there's enough left to do so.

Oreo

It’s likely just a guy in Cornwall doing a conspiracy rant , you need to be careful about what you swallow CariadAgain as do we all.

I've seen enough YouTube videos since 2020 (on various topics) that I think I've learnt to filter out and to recognise a personal viewpoint v. someone who is trying to get out the truth the mainstream news/newspaper often don't publish.

Goodness knows our newspapers are full of articles about 1 or 2 individual people who consider themselves/are considered by some to be "Special" (eg influencers, royalty, sportspeople etc) and huge gaps where The News should be being filled by all these stories about individuals instead of actual news.

We found out over time just how much our government wasn't "telling it like it is".

So we do have to search to find out the actual real news - and what he says is consistent with what we can manage to find out for ourselves.

But as you see now, you got the wrong man, believing it was really BN when it wasn’t and it may or may not even be Barak!
Accusations on SM are rife and wrong.

But, as you see now, when it became clear it was a different one - I said so.

All sorts goes up on social media....all sorts goes up in the mainstream media (who still seem to be largely on the wrong side in this dispute in three countries and Britain is one of them).

Social media as you call it was largely responsible for a lot of people knowing the truth in the first place re some stuff - eg Covid and Lockdown. That was where we first started finding out that those jabs were seriously not a good idea and getting an idea of the direction of travel of WHO and our own government. Our mainstream media wasn't basically telling us.

Mainstream media - one has to look elsewhere to check for much of the actual news still - rather than stuff about celebrities/the Government's opinion on things etc.

I think many of us do what we can to search out the real news - and not what we're spoonfed. Bit by bit we find alternative media that is trustworthy - thinks "If anyone knows suitable English language channels from the Scandinavian countries, Holland and Germany it would be appreciated". I've found that good American one for instance - objective viewpoint from Amy Goodman (rather than official American viewpoint).

Always on the lookout for the truth - and not the governments or one individuals take on how they'd like it to be or what they want to distract us with.

Sorry CariadAgain I cannot take your posts seriously from now on.

jabs seriously not a good idea

Meanwhile the ICJ have said Israel are obliged to allow aid into to Gaza.
There is a 'fatal combination' of disease, injuries and famine the WHO says.
The problems there will carry on for generations.
This alone condemns Netanyahu without all the very strange accusations about Epstein. Just muddies the waters.

AGAA4

Meanwhile the ICJ have said Israel are obliged to allow aid into to Gaza.
There is a 'fatal combination' of disease, injuries and famine the WHO says.
The problems there will carry on for generations.
This alone condemns Netanyahu without all the very strange accusations about Epstein. Just muddies the waters.

I imagine that the security if the aid workers is the problem at the moment.

Hamas and other gangs are in control and will hoover up aid and medical supplies.

Aid has to be for all, not just those with weapons and who are stronger.

Accusations that Netanyahu raped a women and giving the wrong name of the accuser has certainly muddled the waters

When it became clearer on the name - I have accordingly amended it.

In reverse - and I'm currently studying the psychology as to why they've been waging war - via their army and their settlers for longer than many of us have been alive and that would certainly help clear things up a lot if there was more information on why they are doing this/have been doing this since the 1940s. Shocking - but the info. is out there and I'm not going to quote it...just in case...but it is out there to find.

The problem at the moment is that Israel have halted aid as a rebuke for what they say was Hamas breaking ceasefire. Hamas says Israel breached the ceasefire agreement

Also as Israel have bombed the roads it makes it difficult for aid workers to get the limited supplies allowed through.

Did the Vance visit produce anything useful?

Why is alleged actions by Israel since the 1940’s spoken of but I am told the Holocaust has no connection with present happenings ?

Did anyone see how Vance got on? Missed all the reports. Just saw headlines.

I've seen enough YouTube videos since 2020 (on various topics) that I think I've learnt to filter out and to recognise a personal viewpoint v. someone who is trying to get out the truth the mainstream news/newspaper often don't publish.

You must be far more astute than millions, then, CariadAgain.

I'm sorry, but AI is a lot cleverer than you think.

One positive thought for the day - I gather they're trying to forcibly enlist the ultra-orthodox Jews into their army now.

It is not going down well - cue for watching a riot going on - with them using water cannons/the lot.

I guess they want extra troops in their army (hmmm...sign they're struggling then maybe?). Followed by thinking "This is probably not their worlds wisest move - to try and forcibly enlist a whole group of people that are against you...and I expect they can manage to find one or two ways to sabotage that army" .......

So the illegal total annexation of the West Bank has begun its inevitable process.

The days of democracy, the rule of law and international oversight has ended.

It was mentioned on TRIP that the devastation of Gaza has to be seen to be believed, one person even likening it to the aftermath of a nuclear bomb. No wonder Israel didn’t want journalists there.

Whitewavemark2

So the illegal total annexation of the West Bank has begun its inevitable process.

The days of democracy, the rule of law and international oversight has ended.

The US has said they are against this as it would interfere with peace plans.

And yet, more than one million are supposed to be able to live there, in that wilderness.
What used to be the claim, 'We took a desert and made it bloom'.
I actually bought into that, back in the day.

Maremia - but you've learnt since. You're keeping an open mind and making up your mind for yourself and wanting to see the evidence. So - good for you for that.

Just too much evidence came along.

MayBee70

It was mentioned on TRIP that the devastation of Gaza has to be seen to be believed, one person even likening it to the aftermath of a nuclear bomb. No wonder Israel didn’t want journalists there.

That was Kushner.

It must be the worst thing and something that will stay with you all your life.

Those poor people

It's a dreadful indictment, but I am glad that it was Kushner who said it.

I think it comes with more weight because Jared Kushner is Jewish. Interestingly, Ivanka converted to Judaism before they married and that is quite a difficult thing to do, it takes real commitment but they obviously wanted their children to be brought up is the Jewish faith.