Breaking Peace in the Middle East? Continued thread.

Oreo

Magic? CariadAgain? Or were you a Catholic in a former life?
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That is actually my suspicion - ie Catholic in a former life. But nope - I got off the plane at that holiday (Corfu) and thought "I'm Home (subtext - I can drop that English reserve/formality for a week") - though I'd never been there before. I just had the feeling that had been a happy life as a housewife basically and just accepted it.

That was quite interesting - just walking in to explore those little Catholic churches and I knew what was what - though I'd never been taught. Cue one bemused boyfriend taking it that he had a personal tour guide.

I've had several experiences before of "knowing" stuff as familiar that certainly wasnt (in this life). There's an area in Northern England I went to and "knew" it and was promptly guiding that boyfriend around ("There's shops and a church up here.....there's a river down there etc"). Or an Arabic boyfriend that was with me and with his friends years back and I think they forgot I was English (and that's the only language I speak basically) and turned and addressed me in Arabic - only belatedly realising I don't speak it and asking me how I'd understood what he said and answered him back (in English). I knew "my love" "come on" and "thank you" - but that was all....

I'm fairly used to this sort of incident by now...and my English mother (she'd call herself - "Cornish - meaning a nation - not a county") went on holiday years back to Madeira. Yep...she was guiding my father around - because she knew her way round the island and she doesnt believe in reincarnation.

I'm inclined to think there are almost always breaches of a cease fire for a variety of reasons (and hot rhetoric on both sides when they happen) but the overall deals can survive.

If they keep getting in the aid, and ordinary people make progress, and the world keeps watching.

So Israel has joined the gutter with other torturers in the region, alongside Egypt Iran, Syria, Turkey, Iraq, and others.

Dozens of mutilated Palestinian bodies have been returned to Gaza

The military base Sde Teiman is where the horror is carried out.

One almost wonders just why all these mutilated Palestinian bodies (some dead, some alive and barely managing to stumble out the door) are being released if it's not for the purpose of really "rubbing the noses" of Palestinians in it. The IDF et al just seem to be demonstrating "Say one word against us stealing your country bit by bit....do one thing against us - and look at what we'll do to you personally".

I do wonder if that's what they are up to - ie a very visible threat of what will happen to Palestinians if they protest against the restrictions and the inch by inch theft of their country.

Land thieves operate much the same way - whatever level they're coming from - whether it's down at the micro level of stealing someone's garden or the macro level of stealing the whole of someone's country. They start with badmouthing/telling barefaced lies about the rightful owner/trying to confidently assert that the land they know is NOT theirs really is and then work up from there .....to violence, theft, constantly nagging at the rightful land owner/s.

Right now that mythical "yellow line" going across Gaza is another little "nip at the Palestinians country" and an excuse to kill/maim some more of them - ie "Oooh look....you crossed that mythical yellow line by walking down street X instead of street Y" and yet I don't suppose there's even any markers of where the IDF are deeming the "yellow line" to be sited and they probably don't even know themselves and it's just where some individual IDF hothead decides he personally wants it to be.....

Whitewavemark2

So Israel has joined the gutter with other torturers in the region, alongside Egypt Iran, Syria, Turkey, Iraq, and others.

Dozens of mutilated Palestinian bodies have been returned to Gaza

The military base Sde Teiman is where the horror is carried out.

That is sickening. How low do they have to go for support for them to stop.

Goodness only know Aga. From what I can see - there is no baseline beneath which land theft stops. Trespass, theft, fires, telling a pack of lies about the land-owner, attempted restrictions on movement, bullying = it's all there in the "How to steal someone else's land" manual (a virtual manual - but these are all land theft tactics).

So much so that I am now wondering if there's actually a how-to manual for sale.....off to check out Amazon...

Wondering if a big, clear expose of why the attempted land theft is happening would be one useful way to respond to all the successful and attempted land theft.

The stated reason is "A 2,000 year old book says it's ours really"....#speechless.

But a good clear expose of the real reasons for all the achieved and attempted land theft might be useful....wonder if there's any books written from that angle or videos. I've seen blow by blow demolition of the "Bible says its ours" myth - but I tend to think that's a "surface" reason...

And WhiteWave's point, some pages back about those who claim 'ancestral rights', but don't feel happy to attempt to prove it with DNA testing.

That was a new one to me recently Maremia - I hadn't realised they don't want people finding out their DNA isn't what they'd like it to be and the Palestinians usually have a much stronger strand of that DNA in them.

Feels a very odd argument to me - and wondering what would happen if I traced back my own personal DNA - there's Dutch, there's Scottish, there's Irish and wonder if I could make a claim in three different places then. I've not the foggiest idea whereabouts in Holland a Dutch female ancestor a few generations back came from - so guess I should just pick a town I like the look of and claim that as mine and go over there to select a house I like the look of and kick the owners out...

They are still burning homes and killing innocents in Gaza.

Time for posters who quite rightly wrote at length of the horrors of October 7th explain why Netanyahu can still do no wrong 😡

Wyllow3

They are still burning homes and killing innocents in Gaza.

Time for posters who quite rightly wrote at length of the horrors of October 7th explain why Netanyahu can still do no wrong 😡

I have not seen one post on the Gaza/Israel threads were it has been stated that Netanyahu can still do no wrong ?

Wyllow didn't say that it had been stated GG.

Good news, or not. JD Vance is on his way to Israel.

Smileless2012

Wyllow didn't say that it had been stated GG.

Perhaps you would like to explain what Whllow3 meant then?

Smileless2012

Wyllow didn't say that it had been stated GG.

I would read that as "If they havent stated condemnation of Netanyahu for what he's done = they support him".

To me - it looks appropriate to distance oneself from/say one disagrees with someone that does as much "wrong" as he's done/doing - as one wonders why anyone would do anything other than condemn him and it looks rather as if "Silence = agreement".

Thank you for naming and remembering the Abu Shaaban family.

Has anybody explained what has happened to Israelis to make them like this?

We know how Germany came to be ruled by murderers. What is the sociological explanation for Israeli murderers?

CariadAgain

Smileless2012

Wyllow didn't say that it had been stated GG.

I would read that as "If they havent stated condemnation of Netanyahu for what he's done = they support him".

To me - it looks appropriate to distance oneself from/say one disagrees with someone that does as much "wrong" as he's done/doing - as one wonders why anyone would do anything other than condemn him and it looks rather as if "Silence = agreement".

Pretty much that. Silence speaks volumes.

And my name is not "Whllow3"

Please also give me the courtesy of using my name as people always do, its Wyllow

Caleo

Has anybody explained what has happened to Israelis to make them like this?

We know how Germany came to be ruled by murderers. What is the sociological explanation for Israeli murderers?

Ever heard of the Holocaust? Over six million Jews murdered by people who hated them just for being Jewish.
Israel will never just sit back and not go after the perpetrators who went there and murdered 1,200 just for being Jewish.
They will never accept it without retribution. Hamas made a huge mistake which even their leaders, what’s left of them acknowledges.

Everything should be judged on what is happening now. No one denies that the holocaust was a terrible event that should never be repeated but that shouldn’t change the way that we look at current situations.

It changed the way that Jews look at any situation I can assure you.

Wyllow3 I apologise for the typo in getting your name wrong, was it necessary to be so brusque?

Silence does definitely not equate to agreement.

There are at least two Jewish posters (one who lives in Israel) who no longer feel welcome on the Gaza/Palestine threads.

It’s just easier to leave these threads to the prolific posters.

True. But it doesn’t mean that everything that Israel does should be beyond reproach because of it or that criticising things that they do must be because of anti semitism. Which imo is what is happening.

Oreo

Caleo

Has anybody explained what has happened to Israelis to make them like this?

We know how Germany came to be ruled by murderers. What is the sociological explanation for Israeli murderers?

Ever heard of the Holocaust? Over six million Jews murdered by people who hated them just for being Jewish.
Israel will never just sit back and not go after the perpetrators who went there and murdered 1,200 just for being Jewish.
They will never accept it without retribution. Hamas made a huge mistake which even their leaders, what’s left of them acknowledges.

Yes, Oreo I have read that explanation and it must be taken account of. Jews were victims of victims.

However, Israel is a place where children are well taught , and presumably can use balanced judgment. To justify continued hostilities on the basis of revenge for historical wrongs is not going to lead to peace and prosperity.