Afghan who threatened to kill Nigel Farage on run from Swedish Police

The concern for migrants without credentials, and their right to apply for asylum here trounces the death of this woman imo, she barely gets a mention merely some faceless person who was responsible for the crime of not supplying the man's preferred biscuit. Lets not shed a tear for her, just an unfortunate casualty really, the moral of the story is clearly don't palm the nation's guests off with substandard biscuits. Far more important that no one should view any potential asylum seeker with suspicion, to do so automatically confers one as a "bigot"

Well said Terribull.

There is so much misplaced sympathy from those who do not live with the reality of these situations.

Terribull. 👏 👏

I had no idea that this hotel housed asylum seekers. It's not far from us. Just goes to show that we have no idea where they are.

Re all of your concerns above, it is time to spend money on re-jigging the whole system, to get the security needed.
The boats won't stop coming until the reasons for seeking refuge stop happening.

TerriBull

The concern for migrants without credentials, and their right to apply for asylum here trounces the death of this woman imo, she barely gets a mention merely some faceless person who was responsible for the crime of not supplying the man's preferred biscuit. Lets not shed a tear for her, just an unfortunate casualty really, the moral of the story is clearly don't palm the nation's guests off with substandard biscuits. Far more important that no one should view any potential asylum seeker with suspicion, to do so automatically confers one as a "bigot"

I don't think it's to do with biscuits.

More to do with the fact that this individual is clearly an immoral person. How do you know that we don't feel concern for the victim and her family or that some sort of wishy washy liberal attitudes make us feel concern for this man? Quite an assumption.

I can think of many examples of home grown male perpetrators of hideous crimes. People who are cunning and wriggle their way into families, jobs and so on. Hospitals, schools, prisons. They know how to do it.

Still if it makes folk happy to start threads like this, fair enough. Some sort of moral high ground I suppose.

Maremia

Re all of your concerns above, it is time to spend money on re-jigging the whole system, to get the security needed.
The boats won't stop coming until the reasons for seeking refuge stop happening.

That is not up to the UK.

I can think of many examples of home grown male perpetrators of hideous crimes

Straw argument and a complete red herring to try to distract from the main issue.

Still if it makes folk happy to start threads like this, fair enough. Some sort of moral high ground I suppose.

What exactly do you mean by that sarcastic remark?
Do you not understand people's concerns?

Allira

^I can think of many examples of home grown male perpetrators of hideous crimes^

Straw argument and a complete red herring to try to distract from the main issue.

Still if it makes folk happy to start threads like this, fair enough. Some sort of moral high ground I suppose.

What exactly do you mean by that sarcastic remark?
Do you not understand people's concerns?

Well said Allira.

Oh God! not that old chestnut again, "I can think of many examples of home grown male perpetrators of hideous crimes" Well, as mentioned up thread given we have a population in the region of 70 million, there are always going to be some aren't there? Do you imagine there is anywhere in the world who don't have their own miscreants It's about an over representation of numbers, such as this statistic from the Dorset Police relating to Bournemouth a town I know well, dated 10/9/25. 116 people awaiting prosecution, 51 of whom are migrants from the 3 hotels in the town.

No I don't think the woman's murder was about the biscuits either that remark was pretty tongue in cheek, it's about a person who clearly doesn't respect our country or citizens so how serious could he possibly be about seeking an asylum here, a country he has decided was not only a safe but desirably soft touch place to settle.

I've no idea what posters feel about the victims of the type of crimes discussed if such casualties never get mentioned.

Nail on the head again TerriBull 👏👏👏

That's my point Allira. Not only is it not up to the UK, we actually have no control over events that cause people to seek asylum. No control over wars, droughts, famines.
So, by not having control, we can't stop it happening.
What we can control, is how we deal with the situation.
Shouting 'Stop the boats' has been as effective as Canute's 'Stop the waves.'
Find a way to separate the ones whose claims are genuine, and will be staying, from the ones some Posters are concerned about.
Do it properly and it will cost money. It will be worth it in the end.
People with genuine claims will no longer have to come by boats.
That will reduce the number of boats.
Fewer boats will be easier to track, intercept, deal with, process.

It used to be, well back in the day, someone would "run" from one city and continue to commit the same crimes in another.

Nowadays it's country to country all over Europe.

We are not alone in having incoming criminals hiding amongst genuine refugees and have not been for a long time. Neither is France, Germany, Sweden, Greece, Italy and so on

All have the same difficulties in tracking, prosecuting, and removing.

Remember, in each and every country, you can only return criminals if the country they come from agrees

It would help if accurate information is given in on thread like this as well.

I particularly object to inaccurate information regarding abuse. That false claim is deliberately designed to raise the emotional hate stakes.

'Nigel Farage has said he would, “don khaki, pick up a rifle and head for the front lines” if Theresa May fails to deliver Brexit in the fashion he wants.

Addressing an audience at a £63 a head event in Southampton on Sunday, the former Ukip leader said that if Brexit was not delivered properly, "there will be widespread public anger in this country on a scale and in a way we have never seen before."

He added: "If that happens, much as I'm enjoying myself... I enjoy my trips to the States with Trump and the White House and everything else. I'm enjoying my life'....
Farage isn't exactly squeaky clean himself...

TerriBull

I can't help thinking there is an absolute denial by some in our society, to acknowledge that there are, and will be, a proportion of asylum seekers who present a very dangerous threat. There's almost a suggestion of "well anyway I prefer them to the far right wing, racist, flag waving thugs" in spite of knowing nothing about them, like this awful individual kicked out of Sweden. It does seem that any asylum seeker is automatically considered to be a good person irrespective, who in time, as no doubt some will be, an absolute asset to the country. Unfortunately there are enough cases, hitting the news and going through the courts to suggest that isn't always the case. It was reported the other day that a young woman was dragged on to a beach in Brighton by several asylum seekers and raped. Then there was the case of the young woman who worked in an asylum hotel who was fatally stabbed by one of the men staying there. Assaults and rapes and in the worst case scenarios murders are not unknown. I often see the argument used, that British criminals will outnumber those who are foreign born, which is completely nonsensical, of course they will, with a population of 70 million or whatever it is now, it stands to reason the majority of criminals in our jails will be British, they are with us and always will be. The criminal element, of some foreign nationals as a ratio of their overall numbers in this country are massively over represented in jails, do we really have to import any more

We had one of those migrants outside Macdonalds, his trousers & pants down, giving himself a hand job. Just horrible. Mums & dads with young kids.
I’ve stopped going into town.

Oh really, as if home grown men don't do that! It happened to me when I was 15 and walking to see my boyfriend up the road.

this is bordering on the ludicrous.

With any large cohort of people from anywhere around the world, including indigenous Brits, there will be a few bad eggs. Not all asylum seekers are nice people, some are horrible, this isn’t at all unusual, sadly is human nature. And unfortunately things got so much worse with regard to small boats after Brexit when the UK could no longer expect EU member states to cooperate with us with regard to processing asylum seekers in Europe before they reach the UK or returning them to the first EU country they arrived in. Was a bit of an own goal.

TerriBull

The concern for migrants without credentials, and their right to apply for asylum here trounces the death of this woman imo, she barely gets a mention merely some faceless person who was responsible for the crime of not supplying the man's preferred biscuit. Lets not shed a tear for her, just an unfortunate casualty really, the moral of the story is clearly don't palm the nation's guests off with substandard biscuits. Far more important that no one should view any potential asylum seeker with suspicion, to do so automatically confers one as a "bigot"

How true

No, the message is that there are some very nasty and possibly ill people around from all backgrounds.

I'll come clean as to why I am angry about this gross labelling just because the person concerned is an asylum seeker.

Exactly a week ago, at about midday, I was grabbed by a man full frontal and hard, and he was a white ex Methodist minister, and I am certainly not recovered from the experience

I have already written of it else where, but posters haven't read it.

Yes I have met asylum seekers who are true victims as I work with refugees locally through the local organisation.

And surely posters have read about the nasty fatal stabbing in the neck of a genuine 16 year old asylum seeker in Dublin?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp3x5kdy7pro

He was from the Ukraine!

No, we ignore this!

Very upset this morning to be basically bullied by the clique on here.

Just plain nasty.

I stand by my assertion that there are good and bad in all people.

I didn't vote for Brexit but I can see EU member states particularly co-operating with each other. Hungary won't take any migrants, they don't wish to diversify their population, along with the Czech Republic, they can't even assimilate their Roma people who have been with them for 1,000 years and who they treat like pariahs. Poland only takes Ukrainians, who are so similar, it's a bit like Irish settling in England. Italy sends theirs to Albania, Greece has taken to locking up those who are newly arrived. I don't know how many are in Bulgaria but they made it pretty hard for migrants to cross their borders at the outset and most were passing through, why would they stay in a place that's so hostile. Most of Western Europe is floundering around with similar problems without it would seem any unilateral consensus..

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We are constantly told those arriving are Doctors, Teachers, Engineers etc. …

Who tells you that? We are told " they" are scroungers, perverts, liars and cheats.

Perhaps "they" are indeed a mixture of good and bad and just plain dull.

Oh obviously this individual is a very nasty piece of work.

He certainly is Stripeygran. The important issue here is that the Government should be able to control our borders and so obviously cannot. I struggle with posters who can see no problem with this.

But Brexit was supposed to be a way to control our borders. What happened to that? Isn’t that what Farage campaigned for..and won.

What has happened is that Starmer got voted in.

How silly! There's very little difference between this government and the last one, but you couldn't miss having a go at Starmer.

Just wait until St Nige has his way!!! He'll be co-ordinating everything from the other side of the Atlantic, the Channel or from Dubai (while the minions squabble and don't even notice the landings.)

I have had to read many vitriolic comments about NF (not saying they have been from you), posters cannot miss an opportunity to have a go about him.

Also friends of mine who voted Labour have said they are disappointed in his performance.

StripeyGran

Very upset this morning to be basically bullied by the clique on here.

Just plain nasty.

I stand by my assertion that there are good and bad in all people.

Very true.
All human beings are capable of being either good or bad, to suppose one group of people is superior/has better values is to fly in the face of human nature.
Sorry you were upset Stripey Gran, some posters need to remember that making their opinions known doesn’t excuse this kind of behaviour.
We can disagree agreeably.

It would be helpful if people would say whose posts they are quoting from.