Anyone else impressed by Danny Kruger?

My son is gay. He never " came out" because he was never in!

So people like Kruger are especially annoying to me.

Mr and Mrs West and Mr Huntley seem forgotten when people are ranting about immigrants causing trouble.

Who?

Heart, not hart, no old fashioned deer were harmed in that comment.

Chocolatelovinggran

Hmm - " safe and sensible society" only possible with ," marriage between a man and a woman"?
Like many, I'm sure, I brought up my children alone, after my marriage ended. I resent the implication that they are not contributing to a safe and sensible society.
Mr and Mrs West, of Cromwell Street notoriety, were in such a marriage. I'm not sure that their leisure activities made their town safe.

Yes, my daughter is an anaesthetist, her wife is a dentist. They have contributed far more to our society than that revolting old politician. My husband was brought up by a single mother and he's the best person I know, kind and very capable. His mum never got any child support from his dad, raised 4 kids on here own. My hart goes out to all single parents as it's a hard enough job when there are two of you. So Choco, you have my support.

Hmm - " safe and sensible society" only possible with ," marriage between a man and a woman"?
Like many, I'm sure, I brought up my children alone, after my marriage ended. I resent the implication that they are not contributing to a safe and sensible society.
Mr and Mrs West, of Cromwell Street notoriety, were in such a marriage. I'm not sure that their leisure activities made their town safe.

Thank you IOMGran. That is very kind of you. I feel that way too for many reasons.

growstuff. The other MP in view is Andrew Rosindell (Romford). He and Jim McMahon, Minister for Local Government and English Devolution also spoke.

The debate was on the Future of the Church of England but, if one reads the Hansard, one can see straight away how Kruger’s arguments fall down in the context of the political party he has now joined (and the one he left).

hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2025-07-17/debates/9A873234-C5FC-4806-BA78-A4A5672E5A4F/FutureOfTheChurchOfEngland

He said: power should arrange itself for the benefit of all the people under it, and specifically for the poorest and weakest; that the law is there to protect the ordinary person against the abuse of power; and that every individual has equal dignity and freedom …

But there he was last week, supporting Farage’s Ten Minute Bill to leave the ECHR, busy shushing other MPs who were incredulous at what Farage was saying.

Contrast Ed Davey’s rebuttal to Farage’s speech in which he cites cases where the ECHR has allowed individuals to challenge the abuse of power.

To help get across how wrong the hon. Member, the Reform Party and the Conservatives are on this, let me give some examples. When people died because of poor care at Stafford hospital, their families secured change—because of these laws. When British troops died in Iraq because of poor equipment, the Supreme Court ruled that the Government were accountable—because of these laws. After 96 people were killed in the Hillsborough disaster and the victims themselves were blamed, their families finally got to the truth—because of these laws. When the Metropolitan Police failed to properly investigate the horrific assaults of John Worboys, his victims were able to take the police to court—because of these laws.

hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2025-10-29/debates/6960AC63-ADF5-4918-AC74-9D37DF5F6D16/EuropeanConventionOnHumanRights(Withdrawal)

PaynesGrey

Of course it is, but Kruger’s claim is that marriage between a man and a woman is the only possible basis for a safe and successful society.

How many young people would agree with that? How many cohabiting couples of any age whether straight or gay would agree with that? How many gay couples who have married?

Are they not also contributing to a safe and successful society?

Kruger wants to turn the clock back 100 years.

I am a big admirer of your thoughtful posts. I am a mother of a lesbian daughter who is married to a wonderful woman and they have a beautiful daughter now. With me it's personal, Kruger is coming after me and mine. As is anyone who supports the vile bigot.

Allira

Not a lot of MPs were agog to listen to him expounding!

Lol!

Who's the one listening?

FriedGreenTomatoes2

And … sometimes chatting with friends or neighbours, someone will throw into the conversation something about Trump in a negative way. Everyone laughs and agrees - except me. I ask the accuser if it is the outcomes or the methods they particularly dislike. The panic on their faces as they actually have to think and articulate their particular grievance is hilarious.

I know exactly what they are thinking, how to get away as quickly and quietly as possible without causing a fuss. That's the panic on their faces.

Not a lot of MPs were agog to listen to him expounding!

I suppose that's a possible link here. Johnsone, Farage, Trump and Kruger all very puffed up and impressed with themselves.

He’s decisive and proud of being so. I can’t be impressed with that.
Intransigent?

He’s decisive and proud of being so. I can’t be impressed with that.

I didn’t vote for Mrs Thatcher or Mr Stammer but I could/can listen to them but disagree with their political viewpoints.

I was never afraid of those politicians.

Today listening to the divisive language, the distractions,the lies, coming from those who want public office and aimed at those most vulnerable I do feel afraid.

He really needs to go back to his constituents and ask the question again. Who do you want for your MP?

Oh dear, which is the right form of Christianity anyway?

Oh dear. Only Christianity, and perhaps only a certain form of Christianity.
But we live in a multi faith nation.
And, and increasingly secular one.

eazybee

*Anyone else impressed by Danny Kruger* ?

Not nearly as much as he is impressed by himself.

😂😂😂

Love it!!

Of course it is, but Kruger’s claim is that marriage between a man and a woman is the only possible basis for a safe and successful society.

How many young people would agree with that? How many cohabiting couples of any age whether straight or gay would agree with that? How many gay couples who have married?

Are they not also contributing to a safe and successful society?

Kruger wants to turn the clock back 100 years.

Er the lgbtq is completely divided on many issues ( you know because they are actual human beings who hold a range of views) I know many lesbians who are grateful for his support of Rosie Duffield in terms of the gender nonsense.

DaisyAnneReturns

Moral outrage - which is what drives the far right - does not like statistics PaynesGrey, it generally doesn't like facts either. It looks for the superficial and the buzz being angry gives.

“Two things only the people anxiously desire - bread and circuses.”

Interesting stats though. Thank you.

Thanks, DAR. My hope is that by 2029, younger voters, the majority of whom are likely to have different values to older generations. will save the UK from electing a fascist government and firmly reject the deliberately divisive politics of Farage, Kruger et al. A party banging on about race and LBGT isn’t a brand that the young find attractive.

The person who quipped: Reform isn’t the future but a past that some people can’t let go of was right. Kruger is an anachronism. A quick search on Danny Kruger + anachronism returned:

Views on "Christian Nation": In an interview and subsequent speech, Kruger argued for a "re-founding" of the UK on biblical teachings, suggesting the UK is fundamentally a Christian nation. A former Bishop of Oxford called this claim "anachronistic" and counter-productive, arguing that the idea of a "Christian nation" is outdated and not reflective of modern, multicultural Britain.

Views on the Family: In a 2023 speech, Kruger stated that marriage between a man and a woman is "the only possible basis for a safe and successful society". This comment was widely criticized as "insanely anachronistic" and out of step with modern values, particularly by those in same-sex and single-parent families.

Views on LGBTQ+ Rights: His staunch opposition to LGBTQ+ rights, which has earned him a 0% alignment score from equality watchdogs, led one Labour MP to describe him and his party's views as "Reform dinosaurs" whose "antediluvian nonsense" is "completely out of step with modern Britain and its values".

In short, "anachronism" has been used by critics to describe Kruger's socially conservative positions and rhetoric, which they argue belong to a past era and are not relevant to contemporary British society.

Oh we are all far right now allira, didn't you know.

Anyone else impressed by Danny Kruger ?

Not nearly as much as he is impressed by himself.

Why do polling firms like YouGov tweak polls? Because they are scared of being wrong


Election polling is a tough business. My former YouGov colleague Chris Curtis let the cat out of the company’s bag today. On Twitter, he detailed how the team second-guessed their own polls showing a shrinking Tory lead and likely hung parliament before the 2017 election. After being off on several high-profile predictions they were put under enormous pressure to not get it wrong, and ultimately tweaked their methods in subsequent polls.

Peter Kellner, former president of YouGov
Guardian June 2022

DaisyAnneReturns

Moral outrage - which is what drives the far right - does not like statistics PaynesGrey, it generally doesn't like facts either. It looks for the superficial and the buzz being angry gives.

“Two things only the people anxiously desire - bread and circuses.”

Interesting stats though. Thank you.

Far Right? 😂😂😂

Well, if you call Starmer Far Right then yes, I voted far right.

Statistics can be manipulated by those who have an agenda.