Will the Israeli government be investigated for war crimes?

Who is innocent David?
Netanyahu?
The IDF?
The Settlers?
You think they are innocent?.

CariadAgain

BTW - There are other AI websites out there. But, for anyone that genuinely wants to look up Chat GPT for instance = it is free and even someone as bad with technology as I am can quickly and easily get an account with it.

All AI does is gather the internet traffic and that is definitely against Israel so that dominates. Why is all this “evidence” bring broadcast anyway, it makes it impossible to find an impartial jury in any trial.

If it’s proved that young girls were harmed in tunnels then those responsible should be punished, is there any evidence of physical harm??

BTW - There are other AI websites out there. But, for anyone that genuinely wants to look up Chat GPT for instance = it is free and even someone as bad with technology as I am can quickly and easily get an account with it.

One thing is for sure - some people are clearly very very invested indeed in NOT seeing the truth. I think we can give them all the sources going - and, even if the United Nations and the Pope said "This is how it is - and here's the evidence" they will keep their ears and eyes determinedly shut - as they so want to believe Netanyahu (for whatever reason.....).

Personally - I like to see the Truth (even if I don't like it) because I reckon "How can one operate as best possible in the world with half-shut eyes and ears etc?" I need to know "what is" - or I won't make the best possible decisions and somewhere along the line would kick myself for believing anyone/any Government or would-be Government that isn't "telling it as it is".

It's difficult to get my head round someone NOT wanting to see how things are.....but it happens and, when one has presented them with enough evidence that an objective person could see what's what = well...one has to shrug shoulders and move on.

Must be where that phrase comes from of the three monkeys - "Hear no evil, See no evil, etc". If there's evil there I'd rather see it personally than keep my rose-tinted glasses on and refuse to see it. Because then I can see clearly what to think of it and if there's anything I can do to get rid of that evil or, at least, protect myself from it as far as I can.

Maremia

Worth discussing. Better than dismissing out of hand.
We can be right We can be wrong.
Time will tell.

So you deny that they are innocent until proven guilty

Or is that your bias against Israel.

Worth discussing. Better than dismissing out of hand.
We can be right We can be wrong.
Time will tell.

AGAA4

David49

The IDF have certainly disregarded civilians in their attacks on Hamas, but I want to see “independant” evidence that the herded civilians as human shields in the way that Hamas did.

Is the US independent enough. They usually defend Israel but they have reported on this. Reuters.

The US is investigating claims yet to be determined, or is this going to be another trial by media episode.

David49

The IDF have certainly disregarded civilians in their attacks on Hamas, but I want to see “independant” evidence that the herded civilians as human shields in the way that Hamas did.

Put the same question into Chat GPT as I did. It gives a choice of sources of this - which look pretty independent to me (as I guess you don't want to believe what I said it said).

David49

The IDF have certainly disregarded civilians in their attacks on Hamas, but I want to see “independant” evidence that the herded civilians as human shields in the way that Hamas did.

Is the US independent enough. They usually defend Israel but they have reported on this. Reuters.

The IDF have certainly disregarded civilians in their attacks on Hamas, but I want to see “independant” evidence that the herded civilians as human shields in the way that Hamas did.

Just did another quick flip to Chat GPT and asked it "Give evidence that the IDF were using human shields in the tunnels in Gaza - including young girls".

It did a brief "politically sensitive subject" as an intro and then went on to say "Short answer up front: credible news outlets, rights groups and whistleblowers have published multiple pieces of evidence showing those troops sent Palestinian civilians - including teenagers, women and children in some cases - into tunnels and buildings ahead of soldiers" and then proceeds to give a noticeable and credible list of where this has been reported that they are doing that.

That evidence includes the IDF official written policy is not to do that - but then gives a load of evidence that they are indeed doing so. Some of that evidence comes from IDF soldiers with a conscience.

Oreo

Using young girls? Rubbish.

Of course the IDF can do no wrong in your view. Using anyone as a human shield is despicable.

Using young girls? Rubbish.

Oreo the US gathered evidence that the IDF were using human shields in the tunnels. Reuters and other sources. Better to check before denying.

They were running Gaza for years and years so I’d say that makes them both a terrorist group and a government, they were voted in initially by the Palestinians and have been hoovering up gazillions in aid ever since.
They’re responsible and culpable.

I agree with both David and Maremia.
The same international laws do not apply to a stateless terrorist group.

I stand corrected Allira and am going back to before the Ukraine conflict. My sources are therefore not as good as those used now.
This was, however, brought up during the last election as something that could be a bone of contention with the electorate due to excessive funding over many decades let’s say.
And whilst that continues no Israeli government is going to take much notice of what other countries think. The US enables their bully boy tactics.

David, just about to make a similar comment.
Hamas has committed atrocities, but Hamas is not Palestine.

nanna8

Look at both sides. Hamas and the Palestinians are not lily white. They vow to wipe out Israel, from the river to the sea. Should the Israelis just sit back and accept this ? War crimes on both sides, it is very easy to fall back into the old way of anti Semitism which has been going on for centuries.

I didn’t include Hamas because many leaders have already been killed by Israel, Hamas is a terrorist organization not a government, accountable but not in the same way as state.

Look at both sides. Hamas and the Palestinians are not lily white. They vow to wipe out Israel, from the river to the sea. Should the Israelis just sit back and accept this ? War crimes on both sides, it is very easy to fall back into the old way of anti Semitism which has been going on for centuries.

Babs03

I just wonder. At the last election it was revealed many US citizens are unaware that Israel gets more funding than all other countries combined. If more of them became aware of this I am pretty sure they would robustly protest that this money is better spent on domestic issues.

That is not true in fact.
In the last year that fiscal reports were issued, Ukraine received the most aid, Israel next with far less and certainly not more than all the other countries combined.

The top aid recipient in FY 2023 — Ukraine — received more money from the US than the bottom 159 aid-receiving countries combined. Some places that receive aid are not recognized by the US Department of State as countries and are not dependencies or territories of any other sovereign country. In FY 2023, these were West Bank and Gaza ($112.0 million) and Taiwan ($136.1 million).

USAFacts.

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Maremia

A truly horrible story about the IDF using civilians to explore dangerous tunnels

I saw that on the documentary by ITV. Some of the Palestinians they sent into the tunnels were very young girls. They did this so that it would be a Palestinian who would be killed and not an IDF soldier.
I think they have had to stop that now. It was despicable.

You saw this on a documentary so it must be true?🙄

As long as people in the 'know how' keep gathering the evidence. Amnesty International has been raising funds for a while now.

Israel will simply refuse to cooperate with any trial and protect any alledged offenders. Other countries could apply sanctions, but I’m pretty sure the US will always support Israel. The US caused the death of countless civilians in the Vietnam war, I don’t recall any war crime trials.

Previous war crime trial have been of leaders of the loosing side Nazis, Serbians, Rwanda war crimes

Maremia

A truly horrible story about the IDF using civilians to explore dangerous tunnels

I saw that on the documentary by ITV. Some of the Palestinians they sent into the tunnels were very young girls. They did this so that it would be a Palestinian who would be killed and not an IDF soldier.
I think they have had to stop that now. It was despicable.