The BBC. Bias is one thing. Lies and manipulation of facts entirely different.

Allira 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Maremia

Thing is though, they used Trumps own words. Is it a bit like the outrage when Charlie Kirk's own words were used against him?

Maremia said:

And we should put our trust in a newspaper controlled from the USA and Abu Dhabi, The Guardian
The best plan ever.

Did you say that, Maremia?

No, not exactly, but the thing is, though, I used Maremia's own words.

Cut and spliced.

You can make anyone say anything using their own words by editing.

ronib

The truth though is hard to find. So exactly who did edit the film? Was it a BBC staff member or a member of October Productions? What sanctions were given to that person? Is that person still employed by the BBC or October Productions? What was the motivation for splicing the video tape? Hard evidence? Oreo
Then of course we need to ask how long Shah knew about this false edit. Best stay on point?

It was BBC staff who did the editing. Apparently October Productions were completely unaware of it until this story broke. The bona fides of the Telegraph are completely irrelevant as the story is patently true. This is our national broadcaster caught telling lies.

What do Prescott, Gibb and the Telegraph have in common? Perhaps they like the truth?

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2

gg13 it was reported - in May.

No idea Whitewavemark2 I knew about the documentary on Palestine using a Hamas leaders son.

Hadn’t read/heard about POTUS’s speech being edited.

Again, what is wrong with this being brought into in the public domain, the Beeb is 86% funded by us, it should have been and be above reproach like Caesars wife.

When looking at the whistleblower, message and messenger.

What the bbc did was pretty naff, but ask yourself what Prescott, Gibb and The Telegraph all have in common.

Then you can understand why I and many others are pretty cynical as to the intention of the so called whistleblowing.

I do think that the bbc has screwed up and should have immediately - in May - put out an apology and whatever was necessary.

The trouble is that the BBC’s default position is always to go into a defensive crouch and try to bat away criticism.

This needs to change.

I think the board should be composed almost entirely of journalist. Not political appointees.

If it leads to better leaders at the top, and a fairer balance of political representation in discussion shows, then result.
Much less of Farage!

Whitewavemark2

gg13 it was reported - in May.

No idea Whitewavemark2 I knew about the documentary on Palestine using a Hamas leaders son.

Hadn’t read/heard about POTUS’s speech being edited.

Again, what is wrong with this being brought into in the public domain, the Beeb is 86% funded by us, it should have been and be above reproach like Caesars wife.

It makes me laugh… posters trying so hard to blame The Telegraph for bringing this matter to public attention 😄 while ignoring the actual story or dismissing it as nothing to see here.
When the head honchos have just resigned.

Do you mean the high profile people like Campbell who had to retract and apologise with regard to what they claimed kirk had said.

Maremia

Does The Guardian take stories from a Truth-slayer like Johnson?

I do not have an allegiance to any newspaper.

I will say again, then I am off out, the outrage appears to be directed at the messenger who has printed what it was given by a whistleblower .

This is the exact same scenario as The Guardian and the phone hacking scandal.

I couldn’t give a flying pig if the whistleblower had taken his story to the Beano.

In this instance, I am interested in the story. I am not clouded by any dislike of the newspaper it appeared in.

Thing is though, they used Trumps own words. Is it a bit like the outrage when Charlie Kirk's own words were used against him?

gg13 it was reported - in May.

If the telegraph hadn't done it, someone else would have, my social media is full of women talking about their terrible experiences with the BBC, that whistleblower has helped to amplify their voices.

Does The Guardian take stories from a Truth-slayer like Johnson?

If this story had turned out to be untrue, bash The Telegraph by all means.

It hasn’t though, so save the outrage for those at the Beeb who have brought it into disrepute.

Maremia

So, not British interests then.
Thanks.
And we should put our trust in a newspaper controlled from the USA and Abu Dhabi.
Not the best plan ever.
Especially a newspaper which has had to apologise so frequently for 'getting it wrong', or as other folk say telling lies.

So you think this should have gone unreported the whistleblower ignored, and the BBC carrying on against its Charter?

I think that will happen GG, because we can hold them to account
Could we ever hold The Telegraph to account?

If The Guardian had reported this, would there have been so much angst 🤷‍♀️

So, not British interests then.
Thanks.
And we should put our trust in a newspaper controlled from the USA and Abu Dhabi.
Not the best plan ever.
Especially a newspaper which has had to apologise so frequently for 'getting it wrong', or as other folk say telling lies.

More to the point which interest group has taken over the BBC?

MaizieD the bottom line is that the BBC has now acknowledged that they have mislead their viewers due to the whistle blower and The Telegraph.

They could still be sitting on their hands and hoping not to be found out.

I do not want to see the BBC defunded, I hope that they can regain their integrity and the trust of Licence payers.

Maremia

I still can't figure out who actually owns The Telegraph.

At the moment it is the process of being purchased by an American consortium and Abu Dhabi. The American consortium was brought in after U.K. objections to a foreign state owning a U.K. paper.

Galaxy

Are people saying newspapers shouldn't print this because that sounds completely authoritarian to me.

It sounds to me like posters only want stories to be run by newspapers they approve of or not at all if it involves the BBC .

I still can't figure out who actually owns The Telegraph.

MaizieD

Oreo

The Telegraph seems to be the ooh look a squirrel on this thread.A newspaper isn’t comparable to the BBC.It isn’t the fault of the right wing it’s the fault of people working for the BBC in senior positions.

The Telegraph is a key player in this incident. Perhaps you have forgotten that it was they who ran the initial story. Of course its own integrity needs scrutiny. Running a shock horror story about another media company’s supposed lack of integrity just begs for investigation of its own relationship with the truth.

So what it if it was them that ran the story? The story was a true one, you would shoot the messenger?
I would guess that many newspapers have run stories and comments that later turn out not to be true as headlines sell papers, but in this BBC story where the two most senior people have resigned we see that it was a story worth the reporting.