Pro Palestinian crowds shrieking and yelling at the Aston Villa Park Stadium

Have you read the post by bmacca
Freya who was there?

A couple of posters on here had me asking Chat GPT - "Why do some people make rude comments?". It came up with 7 possible reasons - one that perhaps they come from a different culture (I don't think that's the case) and the other six did not reflect well on the posters concerned.

There has been several fireworks throwing incidents in Birmingham, mainly by young teenagers, and mainly taking place in the city centre. They are not good and quite rightly the police managed to arrest quite a few of those involved. I understand there have been similar incidents in other cities.

These fireworks incidents had nothing to do with the football game at Villa Park on Thursday. The pro Palestine protest was peaceful, albeit things were shouted by them and also by the pro Israel group that the other side objected to. The comment about Muslim extremists is out of order.

Thank you again bmacca

As soon as the marches and the flag waving started from the very beginning, of course there was going to be trouble. It should never have been allowed to get to the ridiculous stage it did. I really would not like to be a member of the Jewish faith right now, they must feel very vulnerable. Personally, I'd ban flags apart from on top of official buildings, they cause nothing but grief.

It is no coincidence that where there are the most flags flying by individuals there is the most damage being caused to mosques and synagogues. Which ever way you look at it the whole “patriotic” movement has caused division and hatred.

Homestead62

As soon as the marches and the flag waving started from the very beginning, of course there was going to be trouble. It should never have been allowed to get to the ridiculous stage it did. I really would not like to be a member of the Jewish faith right now, they must feel very vulnerable. Personally, I'd ban flags apart from on top of official buildings, they cause nothing but grief.

Are you presuming they're "open" about it?

Admits I don't really understand it. I've got a friend I didn't even realise regards herself as Jewish and, if anyone had asked, I'd have guessed at pagan (though admitted this is West Wales - where there are a lot). She's very very against what is happening in Palestine - but I didn't realise until she made a point of saying "I'm Jewish - and I'm against what's happening to the Palestinians" and giving them all the support she can (including sending money to them).

I struggle to get my head around any idea other than "The person themselves decides what they are - if anything - once they get to adult age" and, whatever their choice is = it's no big deal (as long as they don't try to force it on others one way or another).

So - to me I'm just assuming anyone who would feel vulnerable coming out so to say just wouldnt tell anyone/wouldnt go to synagogue and might change their mind about being a Jew and decide to be a Christian or agnostic or pagan or whatever else they please instead.

I don't actually understand the idea of "being what one of your parents is just because they're your parent" - as I think = "Everyone makes up their mind for themselves". I don't understand the idea of "inheriting" a faith - inheriting money yes/inheriting an unfortunate health gene yes....but I can't get my head around "inheriting a faith".

bmacca

There has been several fireworks throwing incidents in Birmingham, mainly by young teenagers, and mainly taking place in the city centre. They are not good and quite rightly the police managed to arrest quite a few of those involved. I understand there have been similar incidents in other cities.

These fireworks incidents had nothing to do with the football game at Villa Park on Thursday. The pro Palestine protest was peaceful, albeit things were shouted by them and also by the pro Israel group that the other side objected to. The comment about Muslim extremists is out of order.

Thanks.
Good to get first hand info. Not that it will probably stop others sticking to their own narrative, sadly.

There were 11 arrests at the demonstrations.
Maccabi fans were banned so who were the people arrested?

www.skysports.com/football/news/11677/13465530/aston-villa-vs-maccabi-tel-aviv-west-midlands-police-make-11-arrests-at-europa-league-fixture-at-villa-park

Sometimes it's best to look for the facts rather than approach such sensitive issues with pre-conceived ideas and prejudices.

Just had another quick flipover to Chat GPT and asked about the religious question and it said all the steps involved - and basically it said that it boils down to a course of study in effect and, for men, getting circumcised too. It said nothing about what family one is born into either way....cue definitely "Puzzled 'r us".

Wrong thread?

Homestead62

As soon as the marches and the flag waving started from the very beginning, of course there was going to be trouble. It should never have been allowed to get to the ridiculous stage it did. I really would not like to be a member of the Jewish faith right now, they must feel very vulnerable. Personally, I'd ban flags apart from on top of official buildings, they cause nothing but grief.

And it isn’t just people of the Jewish faith but Muslims when the likes of Yaxley Lennon descended with others flying their flags and listening to Musk talk about fighting against Islam. Just as antisemitic attacks have risen with the latest tragedy in the Manchester synagogue showing us how this can translate into violence, attacks on Muslim communities and Mosques have risen similarly.
There are many communities living in fear in the UK today and we, as a society, need to attempt to dial down the hateful rhetoric.

Certainly politicians like Jenrick don’t help matters by making racist remarks about Birmingham. Unfortunately politicians are not giving the people of this country a good example.

Reasons for arrests at Aston Villa.

Shouting abuse at pro Israel supporters.
Shouting abuse at pro Palestine supporters.
There were some other reasons such as not removing a face covering.

AGAA4

Reasons for arrests at Aston Villa.

Shouting abuse at pro Israel supporters.
Shouting abuse at pro Palestine supporters.
There were some other reasons such as not removing a face covering.

One Aston Villa fan wore a half and half scarf - Aston Villa + Maccabi team colours.

You have to admire him!

Yes, and that was brave

I've spoken to my nephews who were there. They had no problems at all. They said it was 'a bit of a storm in a teacup really'.

No, it wasn't the supporters, as I understand it.

Other groups. Nothing to do with football.

Who were the ones who hired lorries for some sort of display? Were they not supporters?

Maremia

Who were the ones who hired lorries for some sort of display? Were they not supporters?

I think they were Maccabi supporters.

AGAA4

Maremia

Who were the ones who hired lorries for some sort of display? Were they not supporters?

I think they were Maccabi supporters.

They carried messages wanting politics kept out of football, "Ban hatred not fans", with quotes from such as Thierry Henri football is not about goals but bringing people together.

The lorries carried a message against anti-semitism. Unfortunately conflating the two issues in people’s minds.

Banning violence is not political it is banning violence. Again conflating two issues.

But banning the fans was actually about banning a bunch of proven aggressive thugs, and was advised by foreign police who had experienced their behaviour.
Conflation slips in everywhere.

Allira

AGAA4

Maremia

Who were the ones who hired lorries for some sort of display? Were they not supporters?

I think they were Maccabi supporters.

They carried messages wanting politics kept out of football, "Ban hatred not fans", with quotes from such as Thierry Henri football is not about goals but bringing people together.

Indeed! Maybe the Maccabi fans took note for nest time. Chanting vile racist stuff, which they do, is hatred and the reason they were banned.