Palestine for the Palestinian peoples, Israel for the Israeli peoples

Me too AGAA4. I know if I explain things logically, offer evidence, etc = then I expect that people will look at it and think about it. But one thing I've learnt in this (and other) instances is some people don't want to and they won't do so.

To me that's something I wouldnt do - as a person who found like questioning minds way back in my younger days and I was wondering whether to try recreational drugs or no. But a fellow questioner had found/bought a book giving an exact 50/50 breakdown of pros and cons about whether to take them. Now that's the attitude I want to see in everything - and I take that as "role model example", read the book and made my decision (which was NOT to try recreational drugs after all). It would be nice to be able to switch my mind off occasionally, have it feel all very nice, maybe learn a bit - but the risks that were pointed out in the 50% "against" section of the book were too high.

Cue for full facts, logical decision made about them = end of.

That's how it should be about everything for everyone - but one could provide all the "logical 50/50" books about an issue there is - but some don't want to read them and won't read them. I don't know why and I've given up trying to figure out (as it's so different to my own way of thinking) - but that's how it is...

Biblically the Jewish people were Israelites. Long history there. They are not ‘newcomers’ invading a country they have never been part of. It is the country of their forefathers, they have every right to live there.

You wouldn't think so, would you, nanna8, to read some posts.

Just the small little matter...that very tiny thing ...of DNA tests.

Just a little whiff on the breeze to ignore. As for Netanyahu et al I've read it often enough they literally have a law to stop people taking one of those genetic tests - one wonders why....given that the Palestinians would "pass" them way more readily than say an American that decides to emigrate there....

They could take those tests if they choose to - one holiday abroad in a country without that law (ie probably any other country in the world), get the test, do it and then console oneself for having failed it....

nanna8

Biblically the Jewish people were Israelites. Long history there. They are not ‘newcomers’ invading a country they have never been part of. It is the country of their forefathers, they have every right to live there.

If we were to apply this to all people’s around the world whose ancestors originated elsewhere I imagine todays migration would look like a drop in the ocean to the millions of people returning to the place of their forefathers.
And both Jews and Arabs are Semite’s from the same original tribe that lived in that region before Judaism or any other religion reared its head. So how far back do you want to go??

Just thinking this too Babs03. It is ridiculous to believe people have a right to land that they inhabited 2000 years ago.

AGAA4

Just thinking this too Babs03. It is ridiculous to believe people have a right to land that they inhabited 2000 years ago.

It would certainly cause problems for the US.

And most of us in the UK.

What percentage of our DNA would qualify us as one of the British tribes who could take back the land?

Pretty certain I’m OK. Out you all go!

DNA tests? We really are getting very silly here.

But we are where we are! Palestinians won’t ever get land back.
The best they can hope for is to hang onto the land they already have.
It may be unfair, but it’s just a fact of life.

Why won't the Palestinians ever get land back?
The Jewish people got 'theirs' back after 2000 years.
The best they should hope for is being full citizens in a viable independent State.

What exactly is 'silly' about DNA tests?

As I said before in another Thread, the Bible isn't a 'land register', it is a collection of ancient religious documents.

Maremia

Why won't the Palestinians ever get land back?
The Jewish people got 'theirs' back after 2000 years.
The best they should hope for is being full citizens in a viable independent State.

What exactly is 'silly' about DNA tests?

Because Israel is a strong country and won’t be giving it back.

Even though they should?
Even though they have taken so much already from the Palestinians?
I know what that sounds like.

What is silly about DNA tests?

Why should Israel give it back? It’s theirs.
DNA tests is just a silly idea for the citizens of any country.

So Israel were allocated a larger portion of Palestine for their state but have now taken a lot more that belonged to the Palestinians and won't give it back because they are stronger. Aggressive bullying is what that is.

What if Wales decided to do DNA tests CariadAgain ? You may be required to move out as an English person.😲

Maremia

Why won't the Palestinians ever get land back?
The Jewish people got 'theirs' back after 2000 years.
The best they should hope for is being full citizens in a viable independent State.

What exactly is 'silly' about DNA tests?

Wow.

DNA as a marker for who is acceptable?

Where is this going😱?

AGAA4

So Israel were allocated a larger portion of Palestine for their state but have now taken a lot more that belonged to the Palestinians and won't give it back because they are stronger. Aggressive bullying is what that is.

All countries in the world have done it and still do it, the winner takes it all as Abba sing.
If Israel hadn’t been bombarded with missiles for years and years they may have taken a friendlier view.

Oreo

What if Wales decided to do DNA tests CariadAgain ? You may be required to move out as an English person.😲

You've just confirmed how ridiculous it is to say that people from 2000 years ago should take the land.

“Why should Israel give it back? It’s theirs.”

Not all of it Oreo, not by a long chalk, they should give back the land they stole from Palestinians. Because just as Israelis want their own land so do Palestinians.

Well now. Cariads rather weird post about testing DNA sent me scurrying to the Internet with the question “What is the ethnic origin of Palestinians”

It was very interesting.

So my question to Cariadagain and Maremia is what would you consider an acceptable DNA result, in order for people to be allowed to stay in Palestine?

Lathyrus3

And most of us in the UK.

What percentage of our DNA would qualify us as one of the British tribes who could take back the land?

Pretty certain I’m OK. Out you all go!

DNA tests? We really are getting very silly here.

I'll pack me bags.

Where do I go though? 🤔

Oreo

What if Wales decided to do DNA tests CariadAgain ? You may be required to move out as an English person.😲

That was a personal comment - and presumably not allowed by Gransnet.

11 out of 10 for bad behaviour.

No, it wasn't a personal attack.

Just realised, DH could stay, I can't 😂