The Hokey Cokey … migrant crossings - 1,000 in;

Teazel2

I overheard at the bowls club today someone saying that this country is finished and they feel sorry for their grandson!

Pretty much how I feel at the moment. The UK is a fairly small area and the huge increase of asylum seekers/illegal migrants, call them what you will, over recent years has changed our country and not always for the better. Far too many are arriving in this country when they have no valid claim to be here. Consequently the NHS, education, housing, the Police and Prison Service to name just a few are in crisis. There are no checks on who comes over our border so murderers, sexual offenders, criminal gangs and money laundering operations are rife. All we hear from the politicians of all parties is waffle and promises but there seems little to no action.
I echo what was said at Teazel2 bowls club. People who play bowls are by and large the older generation who remember when this was GREAT Britain. It's not that anymore.

growstuff

JenniferEccles

I was reading today that the total number of migrants so far this year ( under Labour’s Smash the Gangs plan) would fill a town the size of Leeds.

In one year. And next year? Equivalent to the population of Birmingham?

That includes immigrants with visas, who are here perfectly legitimately and have paid for their visas and NHS surcharge. They also pay income tax (if they work) and other taxes when they buy anything. It also includes students, who are currently propping up our universities and subsidising fees for home students. Moreover, there's a "churn" with students. Hundreds of thousands come for one year and then go home, as more hundreds of thousands come for a year and go home ... and so on.

Leeds has a population of 812,000. No way have there been 812,000 immigrants who wouldn't have come, even if the gangs had been smashed. The country actually needs most of its immigrants.

The student visa scheme is being abused.

StripeyGran

Teazel2

I overheard at the bowls club today someone saying that this country is finished and they feel sorry for their grandson!

At the bowls club? Must be true then.

Why is it less relevant there than anywhere else? What a nasty, sarcastic comment but then I expect no different from you.

Sarnia

Teazel2

I overheard at the bowls club today someone saying that this country is finished and they feel sorry for their grandson!

Pretty much how I feel at the moment. The UK is a fairly small area and the huge increase of asylum seekers/illegal migrants, call them what you will, over recent years has changed our country and not always for the better. Far too many are arriving in this country when they have no valid claim to be here. Consequently the NHS, education, housing, the Police and Prison Service to name just a few are in crisis. There are no checks on who comes over our border so murderers, sexual offenders, criminal gangs and money laundering operations are rife. All we hear from the politicians of all parties is waffle and promises but there seems little to no action.
I echo what was said at Teazel2 bowls club. People who play bowls are by and large the older generation who remember when this was GREAT Britain. It's not that anymore.

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how very true this is, I know we need imigrants, and some have came here in the past, but not in the thousands that are arriving every week.there's no housing for them for a start, and as has been said before, if you're coming here legally, it would be by a legal route..not a dingy, they must have the money to travel legally but they choose not to.

pably15

how very true this is, I know we need imigrants, and some have came here in the past, but not in the thousands that are arriving every week.there's no housing for them for a start, and as has been said before, if you're coming here legally, it would be by a legal route..not a dingy, they must have the money to travel legally but they choose not to.

The guy they deported a few days was back in our country almost by return. Obviously he can afford to pay people smugglers twice. No doubt he will try a third time.

yes exactly.....why can't the govenment see that

I believe there is little fear from a Socialist Government, hence the current influx. They may say they are tackling the problem but do they have the political will?
I doubt it.
I am really sorry to advocate strong arm tactics suggested on all these threads but cannot see another way.
Straight off the boats into prison.

Boz

I believe there is little fear from a Socialist Government, hence the current influx. They may say they are tackling the problem but do they have the political will?
I doubt it.
I am really sorry to advocate strong arm tactics suggested on all these threads but cannot see another way.
Straight off the boats into prison.

Then back out of prison and back on the boat they arrived on with fuel, food and water and send them back from where they came on a calm day in daylight hours. This tactic worked for Australia and could work for us. All we need now is someone with the guts to put it into place.

Well said...the Australians would never have put up with this from the start..Was it £2000 our government were giving them to go to France?,,,they probably saw that as a ticket back here..

FriedGreenTomatoes2

And then 1 out in exchange for another 1 in; and then that 1 out coming back in as part of the next 1,000 in...

This is a joke.
Except it’s not funny.

Here we are on Gransnet in the highly developed West and we're only just grasping what border biosecurity technology means for all of us. That your face can be measured and matched by AI; and so can your irises and that info is held on international records. Even if you lost your passport.

Its very bad news for the crooks selling a death-seat on a channel rubber boat. The last thing they want their clients to know is "ONCE YOU HAVE LANDED, even if you have no papers no passport and lie about who you are.... TPTB are going to CREATE a new ID for you and record it in ways you will never escape.".

It's going to take some time for that message to filter back to desperate third world migrants in a make-shift camp in a strange country being sold a fairy tale of what's on offer in UK.

When the news of digital ID sinks in, then surely entry by boat to beach (met by TPTB) will seem far less attractive.

The fact that they are planning on putting changes through Parliament shows that they do have the will. Making it law. It's what a civilised society does.
What do you suggest they do while the legislation is approved by our democratically elected politicians?
What are you actually suggesting should happen?
Within the law of course.