Trump and Putin negotiating War in Ukraine without Zelensky?

They can 'negotiate' as much as they like but it wont do them any good without Zelensky's input. I am almost speechless with rage me too NanKate and no doubt the Ukrainians are too.

Why does Trump think he can negotiate with Russia and not with Ukraine. He should keep out of their business but he's desperate for the peace prize.
Not the best way to go about it.

Trump isn't interested in negotiating; all he wants is a Peace he can claim credit for and he has no scruples about how it is achieved, because there is not a large Ukrainian contingent in the United States he is answerable to.

Again?

In my fantasy, Trump and Putin end up the same way. Bonus if it is at the same time.

POTUS must be bored with the Israel/Gaza war, realises it’s not going to deliver his Nobel Peace Prize.

Time to cozy up to his pal.

Despicable. All of a piece with the way Trump and Vance treated Zelensky at the White House, which even the Telegraph said was appalling.

Makes me angry, sad and a wee bit worried.

Terrifying in my view.

Maremia

Makes me angry, sad and a wee bit worried.

I'm quite worried.

I haven’t watched much news lately , so there is this but also what is going on between Russia and U.K? I heard a newscaster suggesting that the U.K. is looking at using the military if Russia repeats its behaviour😮😮

WWM2 a Russian ship has been seen in the North Sea, possibly mapping undersea cables. It has been viewed as a hostile act by the UK, though the Russians are claiming that they are just sunbathing or something equally innocuous.

Thanks for that. What a pain Putin is!

lixy

WWM2 a Russian ship has been seen in the North Sea, possibly mapping undersea cables. It has been viewed as a hostile act by the UK, though the Russians are claiming that they are just sunbathing or something equally innocuous.

Not just that, the Russian ship was apparently using strong lasers to potentially distract the RAF crew in the observation aircraft which as we are aware is a no, no doing this to any aircraft as the consequences to the crew could be distasterous

Zelensky has told Trump to stuff his plan ( it may be a bit more diplomatically worded than that.)
Trump is going after an easy deal but it won’t work.

It's like he is circling back around to all his "campaign promises" in order to distract from something.

I hope Zelinsky told him off in a non-diplomatic way, though I have a feeling he is to classy for that.

Listening to commentators. Trump is becoming a lame duck president, which means his domestic power is slipping from his grasp, and so will turn his attention to international matters.

So he still has huge potential for harm.

Think some of the eastern European countries are also concerned. Those in the path of Putin's ambitions.

Hope those armaments deals go though for Ukraine.

Zelensky is a hero. I've admired him since the start of the Russian invasion, when he was offered an exit to safety with his family. He said (I hope I've quoted him right) 'I don't want a ride, I want arms'. How brave; the whole family are. Zelensky is being treated appallingly not only by Trump and the terrifying Putin; he's being 'left to it' by hordes of western politicians, including our own. Now a scandal has arisen where his political colleagues' corruption has been exposed. What about that golden lavatory!? (The photo by the proud owner showed it with the seat up, of course). I'd say you couldn't make it up, but sadly, you can and it turns out to be true.

Trump has given Zelensky till next Thursday to sign the peace plan or he will withdraw all help, info etc to Ukraine.

Trump and Putin are the absolute pits. I have much worse words for them but GN would remove my comments.

Having blamed Zelensky for starting the war, now Trump can blame Zelensky for why Trump didn't win it.

I hope Zelensky tells him where to shove his peace plan and Europe does too.

I'm so angry but it also makes me fearful for the future in Europe. I don't think Zelensky will accept this peace deal as it gives Russia/Putin everything he wants. What does Putin have on Trump? That's the question that keeps coming back to me. Trump has done a lot of business with Russians, much of his building projects have been funded by Russian money. That's the problem with having a shady businessman as POTUS, his pockets have been lined with money stolen from the Russian people and filtered through shell companies.

Trump is looking like a traitor to the free world and not an ally we can trust anymore.