Oreo
It’s a fairly new Party, it will have lots of problems.They don’t have the requisite political experience.
Don't worry, they'll change their name (again) in a couple of months.
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The company Farage keeps....
(162 Posts)"The former leader of Reform UK in Wales has been sentenced to 10-and-a-half years in prison after admitting taking bribes for pro-Russia interviews and speeches.
Nathan Gill, 52, from Llangefni, Anglesey, is thought to have received up to £40,000 to help pro-Russian politicians in Ukraine.
He was a Member of the European Parliament (MEP) when he accepted money from Oleg Voloshyn, 44, a man once described by the US government as a "pawn" of Russian secret services"
And I recall Farage et al collecting their generous wages as MEP's, doing nothing at all for our country, that moment when they, like petualnt small children, turned their backs on the EU parliament
Be very aware, we are all are defined by the company you keep, Farage. Many politicians accept gifts we ar not happy with, and som pilloried for pairs of glasses, but you, Farage, kept company with a Russian spy.
Farage is facing calls to investigate and root out links between Reform UK and Russia after one of his party’s former senior politicians was jailed for 10 years for accepting bribes from a pro-Kremlin agent.
Not a good week for Farage: he faces fresh claims of racism and antisemitism at school
read here:
www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2025/nov/18/deeply-shocking-nigel-farage-faces-fresh-claims-of-racism-and-antisemitism-at-school
"It is the hectoring tone, the “jeering quality”, in Nigel Farage’s voice today that brings it all back for Peter Ettedgui.
He would sidle up to me and growl: ‘Hitler was right,’ or ‘Gas them,’ sometimes adding a long hiss to simulate the sound of the gas showers,” Ettedgui says of his experience of being in a class with Farage at Dulwich college in south London
"My grandparents had escaped from Nazi Germany, and had always talked with deep gratitude about how they felt welcome in the UK,” he says.
*I’d never experienced antisemitism growing up, so the first time that this vicious verbal abuse came out of Farage’s mouth was deeply shocking.
But I wasn’t his only target.
I’d hear him calling other students ‘Paki’ or ‘Wog’, and urging them to ‘go home’.
I tried to ignore him, but it was humiliating. It was shaming. This kind of abuse cuts through to the core of your identity*
Allira
Well, that's what I wondered too.
Or would it be job done?
It would mean possible reparations if the men involved laid it on with a trowel with sob stories of how it impacted their lives, a trendy fashion at the moment.
It’s a fairly new Party, it will have lots of problems.They don’t have the requisite political experience.
I agree Skye13- an empty threat..
Read this on line today: "Regarding Nigel Farage’s difficulty believing that people can remember schoolboy “banter” of more than four decades ago (Former Dulwich pupil says Farage told him: ‘That’s the way back to Africa’, 5 December), perhaps I can helpfully direct him to an African proverb: “The axe forgets, the tree never does.” This succinctly summarises the disparity in recollections of interactions between victims and perpetrators"
Apt and true! Now Reform has been reported to the police who are investigating Reform for breaching electoral rules regarding funding. Apparently a previous Reform person has sent papers to evidence the claim. Reform does seem to have a lot of fallings out...
LizzieDrip
Yes LemonJam!
Also, regarding Farage’s threat to sue, at least one of his alleged victims has publicly stated he would be willing to stand up in court and repeat his allegations.
So, bring it on Farage … although, strangely, his threats to sue have gone quiet of late🤔
He’d certainly get nowhere suing with multiple witnesses testifying against him.
I also wondered that.
Well, that's what I wondered too.
Or would it be job done?
Why doesn't he just apologise for the 'mistakes' he made when he was spouting racist abuse as a teenager?
Job done.
Yes LemonJam!
Also, regarding Farage’s threat to sue, at least one of his alleged victims has publicly stated he would be willing to stand up in court and repeat his allegations.
So, bring it on Farage … although, strangely, his threats to sue have gone quiet of late🤔
I do agree MayBee70 that nothing stick re Farage and Reform as much as it appears to do for the other parties. Maybe that’s as a result of Farage’s communication skills/ media style? I don’t like or support him but he is skilled on that front.
However this story has rum for over a week now and the number of people making the allegations has increased. The nature of the allegations goes to the heart of some key divisive values at the heart of Reform. Farage can dish it out to others but does not like it in return. A key difference is others usually have accepted accountability/ apologised and/ or resigned on occasions.
Farage will resit any of those outcomes for obvious reasons. He threatens to sue/ disparage others instead in the style of Trump. But this is not America. The Guardian will defend any claim of defamation in court but I doubt Farage will want that. His other difficulty is successive parallel reporting of racist comments made by others in Reform who are required to leave their posts….
Casdon
Oreo
But you need to ask yourself…..Farage has been around for a long time and in the news, so why have former schoolkids come out with this at the exact moment right now?
This has been ongoing since 2013 Oreo, if you look online you can see that this story has raised its head again and again. I think as more people come forward, the head of steam increases - as it does in any scenarios involving people in the public eye.
I’ve been saying that for a while. But it’s like everything to do with Farage and Reform…nothing ever sticks ( and yet everyone remembers things like eg Thornberry’s white van man comment which she apologised for anyway and also pointed out that her brother was a white van man). It was his teacher I believe that has been talking about Farages racist tendencies when he was at school for years. But it has been ignored by the media and his fan base till now.
eazybee- on what basis do you say the accusations of 28 people are false regarding Farage's comments directed specifically to them at Dulwich College? Some of those 28 people have witnesses who confirm the heard Frage make those comments.
On the other hand allies of Farage, such as Tice, who say categorically these, now 28 individuals are all lying, were not actually present so can not possibly know......
Several more individuals have come forward this week to bump the total up to 28 after hearing Farage's various denials and circuitous responses to the allegations. They were upset that Farage couldn't admit the comments he made so were prompted to come forward.
Farage has said he can't actually remember the specific comments he made to these 28 individuals as so long ago. The 28 individuals however say they can clearly remember the comments made all those years ago as what Farage said to them was so very upsetting they have not been able to forget.
Believing Frarage, who admits he can't remember over 28 different people who say they can remember and some also have witnesses to corroborate, is not grounds to demonstrate 28 people are making false allegations.
I do not think the nature or number of individuals who have alleged Farage's comments to them at DC is in any way comparable to Carl Beech alleging claims of child sex abuse in the way he did to the police.
Carl Beech was one man who made multiple allegations against people in the public eye, some of whom he had no connection to. I can’t see a parallel between that and multiple people making essentially one allegation about somebody they were at school with?
My mistake, Carl Beech, and yes I do mean him.
The parallel is surely obvious: the string of false accusations levelled at prominent people including Edward Heath, completely without foundation, but promoted by MP Tom Watson, and investigated by Operation Midland for fourteen months.
Nothing to do with child abuse, but false accusations that did untold damage to those alive who were able to refute them, and to the families of those who had died.
Throw enough mud and it sticks.
Why are more former schoolmates coming forward right now?’ (these aren’t new allegations, just more of the same) but ‘Is what they say true
There are always snitches ready to jump on any bandwaggon which will give them prominence.
I dont like Farage with a person. I agree with some of his policies in being hard on immigration and ptiing your own country first. He is an ugly little man but very charismatic. And a brilliant orator. Reminds me of another little man back in the 1930s and look how that got out of hand.
Casdon
Do you mean Carl Beech the UK serial sex abuse accuser eazybee? Can you explain what you feel is the parallel please?
I’m also perplexed by eazybee thinking of Carl Beech in relation to the topic under discussion.
“Carl Beech is a liar, fraudster and paedophile” BBC News
Perhaps she will answer your request Casdon, and explain where she sees a parallel.
Do you mean Carl Beech the UK serial sex abuse accuser eazybee? Can you explain what you feel is the parallel please?
I think of Karl Beech, and the credence that was given to his accusations by many people who should have known better, and the damage that they did.
Primrose53
With Farage we are talking about nearly 50 years ago! I kept old letters from boyfriends and some of the stuff they wrote at the time would be deemed racist now. These were well educated grammar school boys and college students but they thought those sort of jokes were funny then.
Old comedy series on TV now issue a warning at the beginning about offensive language etc which was acceptable at the time. Man About The House, Rising Damp, Love Thy Neighbour, Only Fools And Horses ….. all have these warnings.
I agree with eazybee why drag this up now. Obviously because Reform are doing much better than Labour.
How strange. I never went out with ignorant people, so I never experienced that kind of thing. maybe we moved in different intellectual circles.
Oreo
But you need to ask yourself…..Farage has been around for a long time and in the news, so why have former schoolkids come out with this at the exact moment right now?
According to Peter Ettedgui, the Jewish former classmate of Farage’s whom Farage targeted for an entire year (including saying ‘Shut up, Jew!’ when Ettedgui answered a question in class):
//Farage claims that my fellow former schoolmates and I have only come forward now that he is in pole position to be our next prime minister. In this, I admit he is partially correct: who would want their school bully to become their PM?//
inews.co.uk/opinion/exposed-farage-racist-why-had-speak-out-4075319
I think the key question is not ‘Why are more former schoolmates coming forward right now?’ (these aren’t new allegations, just more of the same) but ‘Is what they say true?’
It’s extremely unlikely that it’s not.
Oreo
But you need to ask yourself…..Farage has been around for a long time and in the news, so why have former schoolkids come out with this at the exact moment right now?
This has been ongoing since 2013 Oreo, if you look online you can see that this story has raised its head again and again. I think as more people come forward, the head of steam increases - as it does in any scenarios involving people in the public eye.
Oreo
But you need to ask yourself…..Farage has been around for a long time and in the news, so why have former schoolkids come out with this at the exact moment right now?
Because they see him as a threat. Can’t they find anything more recent ? If not, they should get back in their boxes. To be fair , I also think crap about Rachel Reeves as a young chess player is totally irrelevant. Plus the rubbish about Starmer being a toolmaker’s son.
But you need to ask yourself…..Farage has been around for a long time and in the news, so why have former schoolkids come out with this at the exact moment right now?
He himself said that Shamima Begum was old enough at age 15 to know what she was doing.
Same goes for him, doesn't it?
The discussions around Farage's racism is not new. There was a documentary made for Channel 4, I think, about 15 years ago. He has had all that time to sort it out. To prove that he is no longer racist.
Has he done that?
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