Tax coming for EV’s

Always nice to know that one will be jumped on from a great height for saying something inaccurate.
🤣🤣🤣
I learnt that strategy from the experts in its usage on GN, who use it for anything inaccurate in their perception.
Sadly, it wasn’t a great height. as I suffer from Acrophobia.

Historically, VED was hypothecated (earmarked) specifically for road construction and maintenance; however, this practice ended in 1937, and all proceeds since then have gone into the general government budget.

Which just goes to show how extremely difficult it is to eradicate misconceptions and 'folk memories'.

I apologise for wrongly attributing the perceived purpose of VED, road maintenance, to government 'pretence'. Always nice to know that one will be jumped on from a great height for saying something inaccurate.

But it is being discussed on this thread as though it were true.

Of course, the other 'folk belief' that is in daily evidence is that taxes fund spending.

Do the government pretend that, MaizieD? Or is it just what people think?

Historically, VED was hypothecated (earmarked) specifically for road construction and maintenance; however, this practice ended in 1937, and all proceeds since then have gone into the general government budget.

One visible effect of that is the poor state of our roads.

Government money management, as we are endlessly told on GN is not like household money management.

E.g. at home, if you earmark money for a desperately needed toilet replacement
you don't siphon money out of that for other causes, leaving the toilet situation to further deteriorate.
The government does exactly that with the roads.

Grantanow

Perfectly sensible to tax EV users. They use the roads which need maintenance and their cars are usually heavier so cause more road wear.

But obfuscating the purpose of a tax which was supposed to encourage people to change to low emission vehicles just muddies the waters, and, I think, causes division. I would quite understand that people would be annoyed that my petrol car pays only £26 pa VED when its emissions must be higher than those of an EV.

There is no need for government to pretend that the VED is hypothecated for road maintenance. Tax revenue flows, which are irregular, don't even mesh with that pretence.

Grantanow

Perfectly sensible to tax EV users. They use the roads which need maintenance and their cars are usually heavier so cause more road wear.

Happy to pay per mile, but there is no evidence that EVs cause more damage to roads, much as the fossil fuel industry would like people to believe it. Regenerative braking is much gentler than using a brake pedal.
The real damage is caused by heavy goods vehicles; petrol tankers would be one example.

Perfectly sensible to tax EV users. They use the roads which need maintenance and their cars are usually heavier so cause more road wear.

Blossoming

There will probably be the equivalent of a smart meter fitted to electric cars.

There is talk of “road charging”, different cost depending on the roads you use.
Whether that is ever going to be a practical system I don’t know but it’s certainly a complicated one.

There will probably be the equivalent of a smart meter fitted to electric cars.

The 3p a mile is to replace the fuel duty lost on EVs
It’s 1.5p a mile on Hybrids.
It’s just collected at the same time as VED

As more EVs are on the road it will increase.

Likewise, our hybrid uses less fuel but we still pay the £195 pa.

I feel for those complaining that they’ll be charged twice if they’re paying toll charges abroad and mileage charges to cover the loss of fuel tax here, but when we drive abroad, we have to pay toll charges as well as fuel charges. 😥

If this latest Labour idea takes off, it will be snapped up by foreign governments wanting to charge for loss of fuel duty for mileage done on their roads.

E.g. You get your mileage checked at the border on arrival and again on departure and receive a bill from any government involved in your travel.
Drivers in the UK, can give those figures as evidence that their mileage was outside the UK and therefore should not be taxed in the UK.

So RR and this government think that garages should do these checks for free? What a preposterous idea -why should they do the dirty work for them and free!
Also what a great incentive to do a bit of 'clocking'

Mollygo

^What is the reasoning behind the VED being linked to mileage?^
I’m not sure thats exactly what they want.
All cars should pay VED.
But the government wants to recoup the fuel duty losses it’s making from encouraging people to drive EV, regardless of emissions.
Anyone here didn’t believe that would happen?

It was an attempt to manipulate public behaviour, it may have worked but it backfired!

Mollygo

^What is the reasoning behind the VED being linked to mileage?^
I’m not sure thats exactly what they want.
All cars should pay VED.
But the government wants to recoup the fuel duty losses it’s making from encouraging people to drive EV, regardless of emissions.
Anyone here didn’t believe that would happen?

Well, my hybrid uses very little fuel if I drive carefully but I pay the standard £195 pa.

Surely that is far simpler?

What is the reasoning behind the VED being linked to mileage?
I’m not sure thats exactly what they want.
All cars should pay VED.
But the government wants to recoup the fuel duty losses it’s making from encouraging people to drive EV, regardless of emissions.
Anyone here didn’t believe that would happen?

David49

Annofarabia

It would be easy after 3 years when you have an Mot but before?

At year 3 it catches up with you but they are not going to accept a zero estimate.

I intend to estimate 80% of milage and pay the extra at the end

I would imagine there is a program already onboard that’s just sitting there waiting to be remotely switched on.

My EV owning friends are all happy to pay … why shouldn’t they contribute to using the roads as non EV owners do?

I understand EVs under three years old will have to book into an MOT garage and have their mileage noted. How they will then be charged for their mileage it’s anyone’s guess.

Mojack26

You may have to take car annually to an accredited MOT garage to get mileage recorded.

It's just ridiculous.

My car is a hybrid, not plug-in. It tells me after each journey whether or not my driving was eco-friendly. I pay £195 pa but do very little mileage.

What is the reasoning behind the VED being linked to mileage?

RR was asked about the 3 years before MOT needed and she said that drivers will be able to work it out. Not sure that everyone would necessarily be honest

The idea about having to take the car to a MOT centre sounds like a good idea.

You may have to take car annually to an accredited MOT garage to get mileage recorded.

Annofarabia

It would be easy after 3 years when you have an Mot but before?

At year 3 it catches up with you but they are not going to accept a zero estimate.

I intend to estimate 80% of milage and pay the extra at the end

It would be easy after 3 years when you have an Mot but before?

Pay more or less

Not complicated at all

On your VED renewal form there will be a box for current milage and another for estimated milage next year, 10,000 miles will cost you £300.
On your next renewal you put milage and you oat more or less according to your estimate, it can’t get much simpler

They already have milage on your MOT so the scope for fraud is very small, the real fraud will still be done by those who don’t Tax, Insure or MOT their cars

This is not going to encourage anyone to change to EV, those that drive EV a lot abroad are going to be paying twice, but if you drive 3000 miles abroad it would be £90, one tank of petrol on a large car.

Babamaman

EVs use the roads do they should contribute! It won’t be long before government decide EVS are not good for the planet! Using Russian electricity, no way of disposing of the batteries, using children to go down the mines

That seems like a giant leap! However, I am not sure that EV's are the way forward as an Eco solution.