Tommy Robinson’s ‘put Christ back into Christmas’ message"

ronib

It’s a touch ironic that the Pope in the Vatican City is very cosseted from the consequences of his own teachings. The Vatican City does not accept migrants to my knowledge.
Also Jesus wasn’t on earth at a time of mass migration and huge population numbers. His time doesn’t correspond to ours in many ways.

There has always been mass migration.
It is what human beings do although yes, the population was smaller.

Only staff, Swiss Guard and clergy live in Vatican City.

They get temporary citizenship but that only lasts as long as their post there.

Leading by example springs to mind? Allira

Smileless2012

The belief that all souls are worth saving is a core tenet of Christianity WW.

It’s a pity that the Christian church has not always believed that all lives are worth saving.

ronib

Leading by example springs to mind? Allira

It would not be possible.

They all have a job to do.

What job?

Is it known which Carol services Yaxley-Lennon is planning to attend (spoil for the congregation)?
Could suggest some carols, for the service,

'I saw three ships come sailing by'
'We three Kings of Orient are'

Yes it is WW.

Whitewavemark2

Smileless2012

The belief that all souls are worth saving is a core tenet of Christianity WW.

It’s a pity that the Christian church has not always believed that all lives are worth saving.

Rest easy, all the Christians I know totally agree, WWM BTW, as do the Muslims I know who I have discussed religion with.

Quakers call the soul, "The Light within" - other Christians too of course -
and no point saving said light or soul without getting involved in the politics and conflicts that respect a the basic right to life and live without fear wherever possible.

A view of the soul being saved but not the body as reassuring....

belongs to the days of babies born un baptised before a death or out of wedlock and couldn't not be buried properly within the church, ditto someone who has committed suicide. this bitter past needs to be left behind.

I thought it had been Wyllow?

Oreo

There are certain things to believe in any faith that makes you an adherent to that particular faith and with Christianity I think that Smileless2012 really knows what she’s talking about.
Those who waffle about just being good in life, well that’s just fine but it doesn’t make you a Christian or a Jew or Muslim, since we’re being pedantic about it.

Look it up, for example a number of Church of England clergy doubt the account if the Miraculous Conception and Virgin birth. I guess they all need Smileless to let them know they aren't actually Christians.

foxie48

Interesting though these posts have been, I'm still wondering what putting "Christ back into Christmas" actually means to Tommy Robinson and how many British people will respond to his "invitation".
One of the last times I was in Anglican church was for the christening of a friend's two children. The local, extremely popular primary school was CofE and had very strict rules regarding admission criteria which included church attendance and membership of the church. The vicar was rather hostile to the row of "visitors" to his church, had chosen rather obscure hymns and actually criticised the uncertain mumbles coming from some of the congregation. It was a thoroughly unpleasant experience. Hopefully this particular vicar is not representative but as a visitor to this church I was definitely made to feel like an "outsider".

I know if a young unmarried mother who came to my Catholic priest to ask for Baptism for her baby due to similar attitudes. She said he assured her that her baby was welcome in his church as should always be the case.

At my GSs Baptism there were people of many faiths and none and all were welcome. I find it hard to imagine a Christian church that doesn't welcome everyone.

Elegran

Without the stretcher-bearers and other auxiliary workers, the soldiers doing the actual fighting and killing of the enemy (and getting killed or dying of their injuries) would have had some agonising waits - any of which would have been too long to save them.

Plenty of those who refused to kill were killed themselves as they went unarmed through enemy fire to succour the wounded and bring out the dead. Refusing to take lives is not cowardice, it is obeying a primary law.

There is a film about one pacifist who did heroic things in the US army. I think it's called Hacksaw Ridge. I found the film very moving and the man, I think he might have been called Desmond, a wonderful example of someone who stood by his principles. He won a medal maybe the Congressional Medal of Honour. I'm sure someone will know.

Maremia, it was, finally, in 2017 in the C of E throughout the world, as it varied.

There are still Christian churches that don't follow this or only partly follow it:

In the Eastern Orthodox Church is is a case by case depending on the clergy, which I was aware of,

and, google informs me,
"Clergy in certain denominations may still be permitted to object to a full Christian burial if the death was the result of physician-assisted suicide or euthanasia, as this is often considered a deliberate act against Church teachings"

This could be an issue if laws on Euthanasia are passed in parliament

Generally, for me its an illustration of the concept of the separation of body and soul and consequences of.

It amazes me that any do theworriedwell and not a church I would be a member of.

That's as it should be as Jesus said "suffer the little children to come unto me"; they should not be hindered.

But, in the 2000 years since it began, Christianity has evolved into a variety of 'versions.
Big split in the 16th century when Protestantism emerged.
Much earlier, would have to check the dates, the eastern and western versions diverged into Orthodox and Roman Catholic, with different practices, and the date of Easter, which is the most important of all the feasts.
With the Protestant faith, you have the Luther and Calvinist variations.
In the UK you have the High Church, Episcopalians, Presbyterians, Baptists, Wesleyans, Free Church, United Free Church and others I can't call to mind just now.
Recently the Ukrainians have split from the Russian Orthodox Church.
I know that rules and practices have changed, causing these schisms, but I don't know if the essential dogmas have also changed.

It is called 'Hacksaw Ridge' theworriedwell. We were blown away when we saw it; he was an amazing man wasn't he.

ronib

Isn’t JD Vance a mainstream Catholic? His views are that of the Catholic community so maybe the Pope is the right person to give guidance? Perhaps he will? foxie48
Given the menu board, Ben Habib doesn’t seem so bad but it’s very early days.

The Pope has very different views to Vance. As a Catholic I follow the teachings of the Poor and don't recognise Vanced views.

Wyllow, I find it shocking that it took so long to change that practice. The heartbreak caused to the survivors.
Thanks for the information.

Hadn't been aware of that consequence of euthanasia.

ronib

It’s a touch ironic that the Pope in the Vatican City is very cosseted from the consequences of his own teachings. The Vatican City does not accept migrants to my knowledge.
Also Jesus wasn’t on earth at a time of mass migration and huge population numbers. His time doesn’t correspond to ours in many ways.

You know he hasn't lived his whole life in the Vatican.

Maremia

Hadn't been aware of that consequence of euthanasia.

I wasn't either, and don't like it!

theworriedwell

Oreo

There are certain things to believe in any faith that makes you an adherent to that particular faith and with Christianity I think that Smileless2012 really knows what she’s talking about.
Those who waffle about just being good in life, well that’s just fine but it doesn’t make you a Christian or a Jew or Muslim, since we’re being pedantic about it.

Look it up, for example a number of Church of England clergy doubt the account if the Miraculous Conception and Virgin birth. I guess they all need Smileless to let them know they aren't actually Christians.

Yes, quite possibly they do! And if any of them don’t believe in the resurrection as well then they may as well just have become social workers.

theworriedwell yes I know that. I look forward to seeing any changes this Pope introduces, if he does?

a number of Church of England clergy doubt the account of the Miraculous Conception and Virgin birth so does anyone know what they see as being the alternative?

Do they agree with certain passages in the Talmot that mention the accusation that Mary had an affair with an unknown soldier resulting in her pregnancy, so Joseph agreed to marry her out of kindness?

Or do they believe that Joseph was the father? What other alternatives are there for anyone who doesn't believe in the virgin birth?