Tommy Robinson’s ‘put Christ back into Christmas’ message"

This Observer article might throw a bit more light.
I am not sure that telling Baptist Ministers to f**k off demonstrates the Christian spirit....
observer.co.uk/news/national/article/far-right-has-parked-its-tanks-on-the-front-lawn-of-the-church-of-england-bishop-says

In the end, one thousand people showed up. Seems to have gone peacefully. No doubt some of the carol singing will be viewed online.

^Jesus's precepts in the Good Samaritan, his feeding the poor, his statement on the widows mite, his overturning of the tables at the temple:
^

Also, I would say no abortion, no same sex marriage. etc

I dont think this particular thread is the time and place for me personally, to go into all that.
And I dont read/go on to all threads about Christianity, so I presume that has all been chewed over many times before.

He is a new Christian.
Like everyone, he has some learning to do.

Jesus's precepts in the Good Samaritan, his feeding the poor, his statement on the widows mite, his overturning of the tables at the temple:

Then why is the C of E "lefty", if they follow His words?

The C of E is so broad there are many different POV's.

The Evangelicals, whom have more conservative views on some social issues also follow the view of anti-racism and protecting our beautiful world.

If TR wants to set up a church like those loving Trump in the UK, let him go ahead.

But they are not following the Jesus of the new Testament.

Following on from some of what I have written

Evangelical Alliance has 3300 churches in the Uk.
My guess, is that if TR carries on with what he has started, he will set one up within that organisation.
I could be wrong.
He could go totally independently? Or not set one up at all.
Personally I doubt he would go with Church of England.

Church of Emgland currently, from what I know can be high church[dying on their feet from what little I know], low church[not doing great but plodding on] and evangelical[or part evangelical][doing best of all by quite some way].

Well I hope you are right,Ronib but his emails to supporters would suggest otherwise. I look forward to seeing evidence of his love and charity towards all. Fwiw, having Black Gospel singers on stage with him doesn't make Unite the kingdom an anti racist movement anymore than starting an opinion with " some of my friends are black but" .

Evangelical Christianity which is strongly supported by a variety of minority ethnic groups

Can you explain this a bit more please?

Not sure if you meant that Evangelical Christianity is not supported by "majority"[dont think I like that term, but cant think which other way to word it] "ethnic"[again, dont like that word] groups?
As far as I can see,and from what little I know, that is not the case.

Some points from the previous posts.

C of E - in no way do I know about every church. And from the ones I know, each differs somewhat from the next one.
But broadly speaking, possibly left leaning.

TR - he could set up his own Church.
I wouldnt be at all surprised if that is the road he takes.
Whether that be under an umbrella of some church or other, and which denomination I wouldnt know.
There are many many churches nowadays in the Uk
Quite often there are say 3 "sister" churches. Working independently but as a group.

TR seems to have had a conversion to following Jesus, having been a Catholic as a boy. His conversion seems real to me.
The CofE doesn’t seem to be in the same ballpark in terms of spiritual growth. It’s become quite left wing?

I looked at the C of E Evangelical lists of commitments and beliefs.
There are very strong anti-racism statements and also care for our climate and our worlds natural resources.

I don't think these would be a good match for TR.

TR’s singers on stage were clearly from an ethnic group.

"In emails sent to his supporters ahead of his December 2025 carol service, Tommy Robinson presented the event as a "rally" intended to protest against "mass migration and cultural erosion"
. This messaging contrasted sharply with the official publicity which stated the event was "not about politics, immigration, or other groups" but "about Jesus Christ - fully and completely"
AI generated but substantiated in other media sources.

Sounds like Christian Nationalism to me Ronib not Evangelical Christianity which is strongly supported by a variety of minority ethnic groups.

I am an atheist but I think in the last couple of years I have begun to think that when religion declines in society it may be a bad thing. I think people then treat other things ( such as politics) as a religion, and that tends to be a bad thing.

I don’t think I can agree with you foxie48. Before TR hit the evangelical circuit, I think there was a decline in mainstream CofE participation. Evangelicals seem to be more in tune with growing the faith, in the UK at least.

TR did comment to the not very large crowd singing carols today that we need to grow Christianity but the CofE don’t want us. So he encouraged finding an alternative evangelical community church who would accept and want new believers.

This struck me as an own goal by the CofE if indeed it won’t accept and welcome all new believers to their established faith community! The numbers were declining I understand so why not welcome new voices?

Coming back to the opening post the idea that Tommy Robinson will be instrumental in bringing “a new Christian revival in the UK
,
Doubtful. But I wouldnt write him off, personally.

Coming back to the opening post the idea that Tommy Robinson will be instrumental in bringing “a new Christian revival in the UK – a moment to reclaim and celebrate our heritage, culture and Christian identity” is akin to believing a butcher would espouse the benefits of a meat free diet. They would both need to undergo a massive change in their beliefs and purpose. tbh I think a butcher would be a better bet for success! I just wonder how much £££ TR is getting to fund this latest enterprise from those who think a Christian Nationalist movement might aid Russian and/or American interests. It's certainly not in British interests!

fancythat so you know if God considers Britain a Christian country. I don't think that is normally how it's defined.

Graceless

As an atheist I have found this thread fascinating. But I'm not sure if Britain can be called Christian, not because of other faiths, but because so few actually follow what I understand to be the teachings of Jesus Christ. Surely that is what is important not the nit picking over theology.

I see what you’re saying but how does anyone know that a lot of people aren’t following the teachings of Jesus Christ?Or at least trying to.

That does indeed matter, but it's not nit picking, Graceless, for theologies are actually ideologies
If your "theology" suggests you are actually active (not just talk) on climate change, or peace, on homelessness, poverty, inclusive in your beliefs (imo) and so on, then its a positive force in our society not just a talking shop.

As an atheist I have found this thread fascinating. But I'm not sure if Britain can be called Christian, not because of other faiths, but because so few actually follow what I understand to be the teachings of Jesus Christ. Surely that is what is important not the nit picking over theology.

theworriedwell

fancythat

false, toxic premise that British identity equals Christian identity equals white European identity

Of course British identity equals Christian identity.
That doesnt have to be white!

I assume there must be many more millions of non-white Christians in the world than white ones.

I imagine Heaven to be filled with every nation on earth.

Wasn't it under 50% identifying as Christian in the last census? I'm sure it was low any way.

It is up to God how long He considers a Country to be Christian.

I'll give you a spot of background that might help you see why I asked. As you know I'm a Quaker, and most UK Quakers do not believe in the Creed. We believe "there is that of god in everyone" and we talk of trying to 'Live in the Light" of the compassionate light that Jesus himself taught.

However Kenyan Quakers, and there are many, mostly do believe not so much in the creed as such, but do believe in the virgin birth and the resurrection.

But we exist together in harmony.

I'm not clear, Smileless, as so many of the post are what I'd call the intellectual side of the veracity of various interpretations of the bible and the origins of the creed, I've genuinely lost the thread of what you really feel on this question.

I have already stated what I believe Wyllow, several times.