Tommy Robinson’s ‘put Christ back into Christmas’ message"

New Testament
Romans Chapter 11.

It is all quite complicated as regards Israelites.

Part of the reason I barely comment on anything at all to do with Israel in general.
I leave the judgement of them to God.

I am particularly interested in how and when we will see evidence of “Goodwill to all Men” from Yaxley Lennon and his supporters.

I'm pretty sure that all followers of TR/YL will vote for Reform at the next election but that, of course, doesn't mean that all of those who vote Reform support him and no one has even suggested that!

Oreo

MaizieD

Galaxy

But by the second post we have moved on to Reform voters.

I don’t think that you are naive enough to believe that followers of Yaxley Lennon aren’t Reform voters.

All Reform voters are certainly not fans of TR/YL that’s a very unfair path to go down.

I didn't say that all Reform voters are followers of Y-L.

But, if his followers aren't Reform voters what are they likely to be?

foxie48

I'm pretty sure that all followers of TR/YL will vote for Reform at the next election but that, of course, doesn't mean that all of those who vote Reform support him and no one has even suggested that!

No, but Oreo read my post as saying that all Reform voters are Y-L followers.

MaizieD

Galaxy

But by the second post we have moved on to Reform voters.

I don’t think that you are naive enough to believe that followers of Yaxley Lennon aren’t Reform voters.

And why would that be, exactly?

Robinson Yaxley Lennon would surely expect them to vote for Advance UK.

MaizieD

GrannyGravy13

Anniebach

Quote Smileless2012 Sun 07-Dec-25 22:56:29
Christ has never left the Christmas message. He is the Christmas message isn't he Annie because without him we wouldn't have it.

Yes, he is the message Smileless

Exactly 👏👏👏

The message that no-one takes any notice of….

Speak for yourself.

lixy

fancythat Jesus is respected as a prophet in religions other than Christianity, including both Islam and Judaism.

Stephen Yaxley-Lennon is an opportunist and, like grandmabatty I would not want to be associated with him in any way.
I find it astonishing that he is now promoting the cause of one of the most famous refugees in history and, presumably, the Christian ethos of acceptance of all.

lixy 👏👏👏

I find it astonishing that he is now promoting the cause of one of the most famous refugees in history
Brilliant! 😁

I would like it if Stephen Yaxley Lennon promoted 'Peace to all Women'.

Good one lixy 👍

And from the Middle East.

fancythat

MaizieD

mum2three

Does everything have to be spelled out for you? Trying to get people back into church is a response to the spread of Islam in Britain. So many British people have lost their sense of identity. Being Christian is part of that identity.
The Winter festival has been celebrated for thousands of years, it is not a recent event. However, it is a good time for people to be reminded of why we call it Christmas.
Those who have studied the life of Jesus will know that he was a communist. His organisation lived in communities similar to a kibbutz.

Did you not know that Islam worships the same god?

They have to believe in Jesus.
Not aware that they do.

To be saved, a person has to believe that Jesus rose from the dead, and repent of their sins[no need to list them for God, as he knows them already, and everyones' lists would be large!].

This is a very strange view of modern Christianity. You probably are not aware that may people in the C of E neither believe in the Virgin Birth nor even the literal bodily resurrection. This is even more frequent amongst non conformist churches.

They are taken symbolically as myths of their time, but Jesus remains a wonderful prophet who changed the God of the Old Testament from one of "judgment" and "agency" to one primarily of Love.

And I know there has been a great lack of Love in Christianity at times since then but as Iam pointed out well above, faith is often empowering and healing.

(Its not something that one can "Explain" scientifically, given the current scientific paradigm) but feeling that "spiritual" side of the self is given to some, not to others.

Many "search" without a definite faith when asking life's deepest questions - why must we die? What is life for? why does a "Good God" allow suffering?

(personally, as a Quaker, I believe in a spiritual life but not one with a God who has agency - it's humans who make choices against compassionate love.)

I view with horror the idea of Tommy Robinson and Co trampling these tentative and significant parts of ourselves, and the good many do, with their heavy handed and cruel, self serving, crushing, ideologies.

True seekers on a spiritual path can come from any religion - as said significantly in the bible

"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves"

You will know them by their fruits.

(Matthew 7:15)

I think you might find this interesting Willow3 Its heading is "Churches fight back against racist hate".

www.youtube.com/watch?v=atswA95y-aI

Someone should remind Farage & co of some facts about the biography of the founder of the religion they think agrees with them in their attitude to 1) Jews, 2) refugees, 3) knowledge, 4) welfare systems and 5) Muslims.

You don't even need to be a devout practicing Christian to know the following, it is part of that fast-fading mental database, "General Knowledge":-

1) Jews - Jesus was born Jewish, and lived in the land of the Jews, which was under occupation by the Romans, its king Herod being a puppet of the occupiers. Jesus probably had a typical semitic appearance and colouring, not the blond blue-eyed caucasian look he is given in most Western art. They can't be Christians if they hate Jews - the church was founded by a Jew.

2) Refugees - When the rumour of the birth of a baby who could become a national resistance leader (Both Jesus' earthly parents were descended from the royal family of King David) Herod panicked for his own position and sent to find all male Jewish children under 2 and kill them. The family fled to Egypt on hearing this. They survived to return home after a few years, so they must have received help when they got there. Caring about other people is part of genuine Christianity.

3) Knowledge - At the age of twelve, the boy Jesus was well educated and knew the law well enough to argue points with leaders of the religious community. Deliberate ignorance closes the mind.

4) Welfare - His sayings on this subject are well known. The sick and vulnerable were his particular concern, and also for genuine Christians even toward non-believers. Other religions (and people of no religion) value benevolence to the sick and vulnerable, too, so should not be assumed to be essentially cruel and uncaring.

5) Muslims - Jesus is recognised by Islam as a good man and is one of their prophets. The attacks by Christians on Muslim towns in the mediaeval Crusades were the result of their excess zeal on behalf of Christianity (fanned by the ambitions of Christian rulers) - there is no need to see every Muslim as the devil incarnate.

Allira

MaizieD

Galaxy

But by the second post we have moved on to Reform voters.

I don’t think that you are naive enough to believe that followers of Yaxley Lennon aren’t Reform voters.

And why would that be, exactly?

Robinson Yaxley Lennon would surely expect them to vote for Advance UK.

Of course. Silly me.

Advance UK is going to field a candidate in every UK constituency...

And if it doesn't, Y-L followers are gong to vote for the Green party...

To be a Christian you have to accept that Jesus is our God and King who rose from the dead that we might be saved. Christmas is the time to celebrate His birth.

MaizieD

Allira

MaizieD

Galaxy

But by the second post we have moved on to Reform voters.

I don’t think that you are naive enough to believe that followers of Yaxley Lennon aren’t Reform voters.

And why would that be, exactly?

Robinson Yaxley Lennon would surely expect them to vote for Advance UK.

Of course. Silly me.

Advance UK is going to field a candidate in every UK constituency...

And if it doesn't, Y-L followers are gong to vote for the Green party...

😄😄

I think the Union flags and recent increase in church attendances are to make a point. As mentioned upthread. Silly but effective for some perhaps to highlight the UK is fundamentally Christian country.

A reminder of sorts, as it were.

It’s interesting to pick up on close links between J D Vance, a convert to Catholicism and Professor James Orr, Cambridge Divinity. James Orr has spoken out on platforms for Reform. Advance Uk is also pushing for a Christian base in the UK . Advance is in the very early days of its formation.

None of the 3 main political parties is going anywhere near Christianity as a common faith for the UK. Is this a cynical ploy to garner support from a wider audience? Christianity being on the decline?

I don't think I could post a comment about this without it being taken down.

I've yet to meet anyone who says they're a Christian and regard the Virgin Birth and Resurrection as symbolic Wyllow, can you provide a source for your statement?

The C of E's official doctrine insists on the literal truth of both, seeing them as historical facts and not merely symbolic. Anyone not believing in the Virgin Birth and the Resurrection of Jesus cannot claim to be a Christian.

Smileless2012

I've yet to meet anyone who says they're a Christian and regard the Virgin Birth and Resurrection as symbolic Wyllow, can you provide a source for your statement?

The C of E's official doctrine insists on the literal truth of both, seeing them as historical facts and not merely symbolic. Anyone not believing in the Virgin Birth and the Resurrection of Jesus cannot claim to be a Christian.

Actually I remember one of the Archbishops saying exactly what willow said. I must say it surprised me, but giving it thought I can understand his reasoning. So much of all the main religions are based on myth, and this is beginning to rationalise the myths of Christianity.

Yes it was the Bishop of Durham David Jenkins in 1984 WW and as a Christian I was appalled not only that he said this but retained his position in the church.

My faith doesn't need rationalising.

This is a very strange view of modern Christianity.

Strange? Well it shouldnt be!

It is as old, as, well let us see, the Bible!