Tommy Robinson’s ‘put Christ back into Christmas’ message"

Faith does always transcend logic. Faith works differently.

Anyone not believing in the Virgin Birth and the Resurrection of Jesus cannot claim to be a Christian.

Amen.

ronib

Faith does always transcend logic. Faith works differently.

Well said also.

Oh dear me.
Scribes and Pharisees?

Great if more people are turning to Christianity. It’s one of the more inclusive & tolerant religions. And we are ( or were ) a Christian country so what’s the problem?
Maybe some of you would prefer Islam to be the major religion in this country?
What’s their views on homosexuality, equality. Etc. ?

Where eazybee?

I urge everyone to stick with the Bible.

Anything else is man made, and not inspired by God, unless a book obviously sticks to the Bible and quotes from it, trying not to deviate.

nanna8

To be a Christian you have to accept that Jesus is our God and King who rose from the dead that we might be saved. Christmas is the time to celebrate His birth.

Hallelujah!

Not all Christians would exclude followers of Jesus who question the virgin birth or resurrection. Thank fully

DaisyAnneReturns

I think you might find this interesting Willow3 Its heading is "Churches fight back against racist hate".

www.youtube.com/watch?v=atswA95y-aI

Thank you DaisyAnne.

It’s good to hear his Christian voice.
GN’s there is no longer a ‘must believe in virgin birth’ situation amongst Christians, only some Christians.

There is no pint at all arguing that we must believe it, as large number of Christians including people of considerable standing within Churches don’t.

It may be your belief, but you can’t then round and tell good people, you aren’t a Christian’.

And it is most certainly not Tommy Robinson prerogative to try and turn our churches into political propaganda outlets. Anyone ( as has been pointed out way above) who knows the life of Jesus well will know the parable of the Good Samaritan, and we don’t cross the road if someone is Muslim but needs our consideration. We are on this earth, all souls, under one sun.

Smileless2012

Yes it was the Bishop of Durham David Jenkins in 1984 WW and as a Christian I was appalled not only that he said this but retained his position in the church.

My faith doesn't need rationalising.

I was thinking of Canterbury - it may have been Williams or Welby.

But it isn’t an unknown philosophical stance in the Christian religion. Similar to those who don’t believe in transubstantiation and other beliefs.

If you question the validity of the virgin birth or resurrection, you can follow Jesus but cannot be a Christian Iam.

Smileless2012

If you question the validity of the virgin birth or resurrection, you can follow Jesus but cannot be a Christian Iam.

I’m not sure church leaders would agree with that.

Faith like everything else changes over time.

Faith isn't based on philosophical discussion WW, it's based on what you believe to be the truth and that truth is expressed every week by Christians when we say the Nicene Creed and declare our faith.

I think that religious faith is a personal thing and it shouldn't be imposed on those who don't agree with it.

I don't agree that the fundamental belief of the Christian church has changed over the last 2000 plus years WW. My fundamental belief never has either.

MaizieD yes religious faith is personal and shouldn’t be imposed on anyone.
I include not imposing every aspect of faith, that way lies oppression, something that’s opposed by the three major faiths

In what way is any faith imposed?

I agree MazieD but 'defending' ones faith isn't imposing it on those who don't agree.

Different people have different views on morality. That can be used to criticise the rights and wrongs of other people's beliefs. People who call themselves Christians cannot be a Christian when they do not follow the bible. Christianity is not vague, it is very clear about the principles of Christianity. There are atheists who practice better Christianity than Tommy Robinson, Jacob Rees-Mogg and Donald Trump.

So:

Leviticus commands us to "treat foreigners as native-born, love them as yourself, remembering you were once foreigners in Egypt."

Also "When you reap the harvest of your land, do not reap to the very edges of your field or gather the gleanings of your harvest. Leave them for the poor and for the foreigner residing among you. I am the LORD your God"

"God defends the cause of the fatherless, poor and foreigner. Do not deprive them over justice."

"Hide fugitives and do not betray refugees".

So having also been reminded of the Christmas Story which leads on to Jesus, Mary and Joseph fleeing to a foreign country we could also try a look at the story of the Good Samaritan.

Are those who declare their Christianity so loudly actually following the Tenets of that religion?

ronib

In what way is any faith imposed?

Well, by trying to tell us that The UK is a fundamentally Christian country, with the implication that we have to support the beliefs of anyone who calls themself a Christian ...

(I'm afraid those bl**dy flags don't speak to me of Christianity)

ronib, many people would like all faith schools replaced by secular state schools to ensure children aren’t indoctrinated, having a faith imposed on them, I see the arguments as having benefits.
Im also aware of the many benefits of faith schools. Our local C of E high school selects based on Personal education plan need and Church attendance. The sixth form selects on gcse results. The Muslim community are well represented there because of the education provided. Our C of E and Catholic primary schools sought after by Muslim parents who like the pastoral care and behaviour management. Contrary to what some believe, they fully participate in a Christian religious festivals and schools celebrate Divali, Eid and more

MaizieD

ronib

In what way is any faith imposed?

Well, by trying to tell us that The UK is a fundamentally Christian country, with the implication that we have to support the beliefs of anyone who calls themself a Christian ...

(I'm afraid those bl**dy flags don't speak to me of Christianity)

😀 we down south (or at least the High Weald) seem to live in a flag free zone. The only flag I saw when driving through Sussex on Saturday was a Ukrainian flag and a Poppy Day flag. No union or St George’s flag- not a single one. Our patriotism doesn’t need advertising- it is taken for granted.

Come and join us! It is a peaceful comfortable existence!

Smileless2012

I agree MazieD but 'defending' ones faith isn't imposing it on those who don't agree.

No, I've no problem with anyone defending their faith, but I think that, for example, the US evangelicals, are doing their best to impose their version of it on all, and Y-L would want to do the same.

Whitewavemark2

Smileless2012

If you question the validity of the virgin birth or resurrection, you can follow Jesus but cannot be a Christian Iam.

I’m not sure church leaders would agree with that.

Faith like everything else changes over time.

Mathematical truths don't change. Logical laws don't change. Human nature doesn’t fundamentally change. It’s therefore false to claim that “everything else changes over time.” Defining the Trinity at Nicaea or articulating Christology at Chalcedon did not change the faith; they clarified what Christians already believed.

Christianity is rooted in the character of a God who does not change; therefore the essential faith anchored in Him is not something that evolves like human trends. It does not mutate into something that us the exact opposite. Christians still confess the same creeds. Baptism and Eucharist remain central. Christ’s death and resurrection remain the core proclamation.

The remarkable global stability of Christianity’s core teachings, across languages, continents, and centuries, is strong evidence that Christian faith is not simply shifting with the winds of culture.