The great feminisation theory.

It is only the weakest of the weak who feel it is their job to tell others where their place is. There is nothing secure about a man (or woman) who needs others to fit into roles not chosen by the others themselves. Look at the men in the US and UK who are taken in by all this trad/wife and manosphere nonsense. They look sad. Pathetic even. Online and on tv ranting and raving about turning back the clock on society is a sign that one simply can’t cope with modern life. Women in professional roles have created more competition in the workplace for those inept, bitter males who think they shouldn’t have to compete with women and minorities. Too bad for them. For all these reported trends to the far right, the reality is that the youth enjoy choices and they will not allow the bitter, numerically dwindling “traditionalists” to usurp their all freedoms.

Yes there are kind gentle men just as there are kind gentle women. I will choose my leader as I chose my friends, by the character not their gender.

M0nica

Sarnia

Personally, I would like to see more strong women leading their countries. It may be an idealised way of thinking but I wonder if there would be less conflict in the world if more women were in powerful positions.

There have been 140-150 women Prime Ministers or hads of state since 1945. Among them are Mrs Banderanaike in Ceylon Golda Meir in Israel, indira Ghandi, Mrs Thatcher, Benazir Bhutto, Sheihk Hasana. None of them exactly white doves of peace.

I actually do not think it makes any difference at all whether a prime Minister is male or female. Currently Starmer is pathetic Trump is mad, but Sheik hasana in Bangladesh has been convicted of many crimes and was respnonsible for the repression of political freedoms, the murder of opponents and those who opposed her and, of course, massive corruption.

There is a fond delusion that somehow women are kinder, more gently less given to aggression more peaceful. I have yet to see any evidence of that anywhere. There are many men who have all those ualities.

What a shame that Volodymyr Zelenskyy wasn't one of these gentle peacemakers. he could have sat down with Mr Putin over tea and cake and there would have been no war. just a wholesale takeover of the Ukraine by Russia. Think of the lives it would have saved, the armaments not used.

hen Putin could have moved on to Bielorus, Moldavia, Georgia, all be being gently and kind.

In general I agree with M0nicas post. Especially the 3rd paragraph beginning, 'There is a fond delusion that somehow women are kinder'...
Whatever kinder is meant to mean nowadays.

hollysteers

I’m certainly not arguing against the necessary advantages gained by feminism, but think it rather sad that so many men are now deterred from the teaching profession, leading to an imbalance therein.
Also the countless number of children now growing up without a good male role model (leaving out my own father, who was a bugger🙄).

GNs, it’s roles not rolls if you want to make your argument pertinent,

I got deleted for pointing that out Hollysteers - tread warily!

I’m certainly not arguing against the necessary advantages gained by feminism, but think it rather sad that so many men are now deterred from the teaching profession, leading to an imbalance therein.
Also the countless number of children now growing up without a good male role model (leaving out my own father, who was a bugger🙄).

GNs, it’s roles not rolls if you want to make your argument pertinent,

RosieandherMaw

^You mean people like Jasmins(?) Ardern in New Zealand and the succession of Scandinavian and Icelandic female Prime Ministers^

Jacinda Ardern ?

thats the one, hence the question mark.

Spot on Cardriver, its as though they are attempting to turn the clock back.

My mum was the youngest of 16 kids, her eldest sister was old enough to be her mother.

Mum remembers her sister having to get permission to go out with girlfriends while her husband was in the army. Her mother was the gate keeper, and she would rattle off at least seven of the eight examples you've given to keep her married daughter under control.

This was happening in the mid 1930's in the Catholic parts of Liverpool UK.

Marmin

They seem to have common ground with the taliban.

Loved this comment

You mean people like Jasmins(?) Ardern in New Zealand and the succession of Scandinavian and Icelandic female Prime Ministers

Jacinda Ardern ?

My understanding was that boy scouts included girls due to low numbers, however I have just looked it up and I can't really find whether that is accurate or not. I agree that men too need single sex spaces, I think it was a mistake for women to be allowed in the mens shed movement, for example.

Menopauselbitch

It’s a shame that most women on here are so determined to pay tax ( planned by a Rockefeller ) rather than have children and actually stay at home to make sure they are looked after properly. I’ve worked all my life and really wished I could have been there more for my children. There are many roles women are crap at and vice versa. My partner can go out on his job with another man but the women have to have a man with them as they just aren’t strong enough. This really boils my piss.

Sorry, I totally disagree. I come from many generations of working women , my grandmother, great grandmother and backwards worked because poverty made it necessary.

All our children were looked after properly and we have managed, I know not how many generations, with children with good relations with their parents and each making progress on the generation before.

My mother worked because she wanted to and missed it when she wasn't working. The only time I got upset because she wasn't there when I wanted her, was when she had a day's leave and I expected her to be at home when I came home from school, and she had gone out to do some shopping.

In my mid-teens, long before i was anywhere near marrying and having children, I was planning how to qualify and establish my career before potentially marrying and having children, and returning to work as soon as was practical. All of which I did. I have always had a close relationship with my children. They certainly did not see themselves as neglected.

In fact DS, now in his 50s, only recently realised that the reason he was able to do so many courses at the local sports centre in the school holidays, a high treat, was because my office was almost next door and while he and his sister did swimming classes and gym and everything else. I was head down at my desk working for a couple of hours.

My son and wife have both worked and their children are now heading for university.

Speak for yourself, you cannot speak for others.

Hmm Menopauselbitch. You haven't told us which job your partner does. Obviously if it is a very physical job, then strength is important, and might exclude very slight men, too.
As I have stated, my DIL is a highly qualified engineer and frequents sites to assess on a regular basis. She has never, to my knowledge, required a male companion, unless there was an expectation that her male colleague had something to contribute.. This includes sites abroad. She is a small, slim woman.

One of the problems is that the male areas have become mixed. Work used to be male dominated it is now mixed, working men's clubs have become social clubs, the boy scouts are now the scouts, but the female areas still exclude men, the WI the girl guides and many others. Rightly or wrongly, consciously or subconsciously this is bound to cause a backlash at sometime. I would really like to not have a divided world.

It’s a shame that most women on here are so determined to pay tax ( planned by a Rockefeller ) rather than have children and actually stay at home to make sure they are looked after properly. I’ve worked all my life and really wished I could have been there more for my children. There are many roles women are crap at and vice versa. My partner can go out on his job with another man but the women have to have a man with them as they just aren’t strong enough. This really boils my piss.

“I’m glad I don’t have to find workers, even 20 yrs ago women were a far better prospect for getting the job done” David

That made me smile as 40 years ago I worked part time for a boss who reckoned that two women job sharing were more efficient than one man…

You mean people like Jasmins(?) Ardern in New Zealand and the succession of Scandinavian and Icelandic female Prime Ministers?

I said many, MOnica. Not all

MaizieD

^There have been 140-150 women Prime Ministers or heads of state since 1945.^

That works out at about one female leader per country over 80 years. Not terribly impressive.

I would suggest that many female leaders get to that position because they exhibit what is felt to be 'masculine' behaviours and policies.

You mean people like Jasmins(?) Ardern in New Zealand and the succession of Scandinavian and Icelandic female Prime Ministers?

I am sorry I just do not think that that explanation washes. Prime Ministers have to deal with what hits them from outside and if you are Zelenskyy faced with a Russian invasion, you do not try and talk Putin out of invading, you offer resistance, no matter what your sex, gender or anything else.

I wrote this in June 2022 after Roe v Wade was overturned and sent it as a Whatsapp to my daughters.

I've never believed the issue was about the unborn child - it's about control of women.
This is the scenario:
1) you can't go out on your own "something might happen" to you.
2) if you want to go out someone male will go with you
3) I/your brother have no time to chaperone you - you can't go out
4) if you go out alone it looks bad to the neighbours
5) if you go out on your own you'll look as though you're cheap
6) men who see you on your own will assume you're easy (because you know what might happen)
7) if something happens to you - it's your own fault. You should have done what you were told - so - don't go out without a male escort
8) you don't need to go out on your own so why bother learning to drive - you don't need to. Stay at home.

Just like the control of women in Afghanistan.
Next targets:
Gays.
LGBT & minorities
Same sex marriage
Black people (again)

This scenario is playing out now.
We all need to be aware of the implications for ourselves, for our daughters and granddaughters.
There are many men out there who want to put women "back where they should be" - at home.

There have been 140-150 women Prime Ministers or heads of state since 1945.

That works out at about one female leader per country over 80 years. Not terribly impressive.

I would suggest that many female leaders get to that position because they exhibit what is felt to be 'masculine' behaviours and policies.

I wonder if I should have said chosen/excluded?

No one should be chosen to do a job on the basis of sex, colour, or creed. How can that help? Equally, opportunities for all should be equal when it comes to basic needs. That way the best talent in all areas is available?

The problem is only in how you achieve this. I do not see how any extreme could. Factions only ever divide.

I did not know that statistic for women Prime Ministers Monica. I'm learning a lot (and greatful to do so) from many recent posts including many of yours.

Thanks for your kind words Willow

M0nica

Sarnia

Personally, I would like to see more strong women leading their countries. It may be an idealised way of thinking but I wonder if there would be less conflict in the world if more women were in powerful positions.

There have been 140-150 women Prime Ministers or hads of state since 1945. Among them are Mrs Banderanaike in Ceylon Golda Meir in Israel, indira Ghandi, Mrs Thatcher, Benazir Bhutto, Sheihk Hasana. None of them exactly white doves of peace.

I actually do not think it makes any difference at all whether a prime Minister is male or female. Currently Starmer is pathetic Trump is mad, but Sheik hasana in Bangladesh has been convicted of many crimes and was respnonsible for the repression of political freedoms, the murder of opponents and those who opposed her and, of course, massive corruption.

There is a fond delusion that somehow women are kinder, more gently less given to aggression more peaceful. I have yet to see any evidence of that anywhere. There are many men who have all those ualities.

What a shame that Volodymyr Zelenskyy wasn't one of these gentle peacemakers. he could have sat down with Mr Putin over tea and cake and there would have been no war. just a wholesale takeover of the Ukraine by Russia. Think of the lives it would have saved, the armaments not used.

hen Putin could have moved on to Bielorus, Moldavia, Georgia, all be being gently and kind.

I agree entirely, it’s not the sex of the leader it’s the decisions they make that matter, that applies in all fields, the home, business and government.

Sarnia

Personally, I would like to see more strong women leading their countries. It may be an idealised way of thinking but I wonder if there would be less conflict in the world if more women were in powerful positions.

There have been 140-150 women Prime Ministers or hads of state since 1945. Among them are Mrs Banderanaike in Ceylon Golda Meir in Israel, indira Ghandi, Mrs Thatcher, Benazir Bhutto, Sheihk Hasana. None of them exactly white doves of peace.

I actually do not think it makes any difference at all whether a prime Minister is male or female. Currently Starmer is pathetic Trump is mad, but Sheik hasana in Bangladesh has been convicted of many crimes and was respnonsible for the repression of political freedoms, the murder of opponents and those who opposed her and, of course, massive corruption.

There is a fond delusion that somehow women are kinder, more gently less given to aggression more peaceful. I have yet to see any evidence of that anywhere. There are many men who have all those ualities.

What a shame that Volodymyr Zelenskyy wasn't one of these gentle peacemakers. he could have sat down with Mr Putin over tea and cake and there would have been no war. just a wholesale takeover of the Ukraine by Russia. Think of the lives it would have saved, the armaments not used.

hen Putin could have moved on to Bielorus, Moldavia, Georgia, all be being gently and kind.

That's a wonderful post, DaisyAnne.
What has also happened , in terms of the original "nature red in tooth and claw" "males kill, females nurture" theory...

...is that subsequently, many studies have been done that show this is not true for all species at all (including humans). So many examples of males doing caring bits, so many examples of female dominated groupings, the original Darwinism is now tempered by this further work.

but of course ignored by the ignorant, or by those who seek to turn the clock back in terms of relationships between men and women, particularly the quite evil insistence that becuase of "natural selection" women cant or shouldn't hold power in our social and political lives.

FranP

ArthurAskey

I have to say the most women police officers are totally useless when it comes to policing the streets.

You have not met our 2 PCSOs. Both under 5 ft, they terrify the young tearaways around here!!

Whereas our local male PCSO was an absolute drip.