The great feminisation theory.

Yes there are kind gentle men just as there are kind gentle women. I will choose my leader as I chose my friends, by the character not their gender.

It is only the weakest of the weak who feel it is their job to tell others where their place is. There is nothing secure about a man (or woman) who needs others to fit into roles not chosen by the others themselves. Look at the men in the US and UK who are taken in by all this trad/wife and manosphere nonsense. They look sad. Pathetic even. Online and on tv ranting and raving about turning back the clock on society is a sign that one simply can’t cope with modern life. Women in professional roles have created more competition in the workplace for those inept, bitter males who think they shouldn’t have to compete with women and minorities. Too bad for them. For all these reported trends to the far right, the reality is that the youth enjoy choices and they will not allow the bitter, numerically dwindling “traditionalists” to usurp their all freedoms.

Menopauselbitch

It’s a shame that most women on here are so determined to pay tax ( planned by a Rockefeller ) rather than have children and actually stay at home to make sure they are looked after properly. I’ve worked all my life and really wished I could have been there more for my children. There are many roles women are crap at and vice versa. My partner can go out on his job with another man but the women have to have a man with them as they just aren’t strong enough. This really boils my piss.

Surely the shame is yours. If you feel so strongly why didn't you stay home? Why should others have to do so just because you think they should? You could have stayed at home, but perhaps, by not doing so, your children grew up without needing to use crude slang expressions in order to convey frustration or anger.

Needs more hormones I suspect.

DaisyAnneReturns

Menopauselbitch

It’s a shame that most women on here are so determined to pay tax ( planned by a Rockefeller ) rather than have children and actually stay at home to make sure they are looked after properly. I’ve worked all my life and really wished I could have been there more for my children. There are many roles women are crap at and vice versa. My partner can go out on his job with another man but the women have to have a man with them as they just aren’t strong enough. This really boils my piss.

Surely the shame is yours. If you feel so strongly why didn't you stay home? Why should others have to do so just because you think they should? You could have stayed at home, but perhaps, by not doing so, your children grew up without needing to use crude slang expressions in order to convey frustration or anger.

I think the point being made by MB is that once women were 'convinced' working was to their benefit, they were left with other problems, paying tax, and finding good child care rising prices etc., being but three.
Rendering it difficult for those who wish to stay home.
My perspective is there are winners and loosers in bith systems, and the genie can't be put back in the bottle easily.
Women should probably be more concerned with the trans problem than worrying about this dog whistle of an argument.
Trans ideology is endemic in our schools. No one is addressing the issue of the mental health9 of the next generation.

Nws it seems to me that children are the group which are most vulnerable and the last to be considered imv.

That's ludicrous, imo.

The whole things about when being empowered to have choice is that as long as your family can afford it, then of course women have always been able to stay at home if they wanted.

Nobody forced or brainwashed us: both my sis and I chose a mixture, as indeed my Mum had done years and years back.

She was a teacher in the days when the hours suited better as there was far less admin and out of school time work, so she was 'there" with us a lot.

As for connecting trans issues with problems in the rise in Mental Health illness that is ridiculous. There are a whole number of factors. Young people face a whole slew of pressures that we did not, especially threats from social media. My DiL works in a CAMBS unit (childhood MH), dealing both with neurodiversity and mental illness.

Do have a look at this page which outlines the reasons:

www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=what+has+cuased+the+rise+in+MH+problems+with+children&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

hollysteers

I’m certainly not arguing against the necessary advantages gained by feminism, but think it rather sad that so many men are now deterred from the teaching profession, leading to an imbalance therein.
Also the countless number of children now growing up without a good male role model (leaving out my own father, who was a bugger🙄).

GNs, it’s roles not rolls if you want to make your argument pertinent,

You seem to be blaming women for the fact “so many men are now deterred from the teaching profession”

Men are more likely to become head teachers despite “the imbalance”

I suspect that many men see teaching as a career for women. Very long hours for salaries the men won’t acccept

Agreed. I love it when men work in primary schools, too. I had a lovely teacher top juniors who was so kind and gentle a man. Treated us all as the little individuals we all are.

As regards promotion, this an interesting and thought provoking page

www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=men+in+teaching+why+do+more+get+headteascher+jobs&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Glad to say my niece had a tough job as headteacher in a difficult area, and has now got promotion as a School Improvement Advisor/Consultant in the LA. She always was a tough little cookie, having been bullied at secondary school.

Wyllow3

That's ludicrous, imo.

The whole things about when being empowered to have choice is that as long as your family can afford it, then of course women have always been able to stay at home if they wanted.

Nobody forced or brainwashed us: both my sis and I chose a mixture, as indeed my Mum had done years and years back.

She was a teacher in the days when the hours suited better as there was far less admin and out of school time work, so she was 'there" with us a lot.

As for connecting trans issues with problems in the rise in Mental Health illness that is ridiculous. There are a whole number of factors. Young people face a whole slew of pressures that we did not, especially threats from social media. My DiL works in a CAMBS unit (childhood MH), dealing both with neurodiversity and mental illness.

Do have a look at this page which outlines the reasons:

www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=what+has+cuased+the+rise+in+MH+problems+with+children&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Sorry willow simply read loads on both sides and have an opinion.

Does it help to use inflammatory words like ludicrous?
In my estimation they are only used to shut down debate, when the other party hasn't given enough thought, or doesnt wish to give enough thought, to the subject matter.🙂

Strong feelings because of knowing a great deal about Mental Health in general both worked in the field, been a customer, been on discussion policy groups run by the local MH Trust governing body and my DiL's direct experiences right now and into the future.

All this tells me you are well off in an assessment of the "key factor"

It is "a" factor, but if you just would read the reference I gave, it is not "the" factor. it may be a special interest" of yours, but it does no one any good concealing the multiple factors that are actually at work.

No it doesn't, ergo exploring all avenues of a subject matter is only to the good

I like this take, seems pretty on the nail to me.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8TpcsQXVck

The loss of father figures is certainly one of the key factors in poor outcomes for children, pretty much on every metric there is, especially so for boys. I am not sure that is caused by feminism though. Probably an interesting discussion to be had about how the decline of marriage ( when raising children) hasn't been that great for women either.

Women still in large part do most domestic work, including the emotional care of the family. They organise and manage appointments with dentists, doctors, etc and children’s gifts for various parties and teachers at end of year

The move towards 50% shared care on parental separation gives many fathers the ability to avoid maintenance despite so many mothers going part time, or reducing career progression once babies arrive

Galaxy

The loss of father figures is certainly one of the key factors in poor outcomes for children, pretty much on every metric there is, especially so for boys. I am not sure that is caused by feminism though. Probably an interesting discussion to be had about how the decline of marriage ( when raising children) hasn't been that great for women either.

Fatherless families are certainly not a new phenomenon and I can't see what feminism has to do with it. In the past it was generally death that left families fatherless (or motherless).

It seems some forget that correlation is not causation. Many would argue that increases in single-parent households happened alongside many social changes, not just feminism. Pointing to feminism alone ignores other major factors that better predict fatherlessness, such as:

Deindustrialisation and loss of stable working-class jobs.
Mass incarceration (especially of men).
Changes in divorce law and welfare policy.
Cultural shifts around marriage and child-rearing that predate or operate independently of feminist movements.

Feminism is often blamed because it is visible and because ideologies use the arguement to weaken opposition to their attempt to control, not because it is the primary causal force.

Feminism is an easy scapegoat for many things. One of my favourites is feminism being responsible for men behaving badly

I find it very difficult to accept that so many women work towards women's subjugation, Iam. That's certainly what seems to be the intention of those lauding Trump and his mini-me replicants in other countries.

It’s unsettling, to say the least, to old seventies and onward feminists - like me

But we have also seen that with the progressives, some women were also supporters of the misogyny of trans ideology, and if all the other mantras so damaging to women, sex work is work, describing porn, etc as empowering and so on.

The accusations on gransnet that gender critical posters would have been anti the decriminalisation of homosexuality, were something I won’t forget.

The American right does seem to be heading into surrendered wife territory, a woman’s place in the home mantra

Iam64

It’s unsettling, to say the least, to old seventies and onward feminists - like me

I so agree, it's like a bizarre turning the clock back, after we worked so very hard.

Iam64

Feminism is an easy scapegoat for many things. One of my favourites is feminism being responsible for men behaving badly

Ooh that makes my blood boil 🤬🤬🤬

For me the 21st century women should hold onto their hard fought for choices, their choices, not those decided by men as men know best

Women should have a choice. Unfortunately not many do because of financial reasons. Not many can afford to stay home and look after their children these days because of high costs of housing, food etc. Not many can afford to have more than a couple of children, either. Successive governments and their incompetence has seen to that and it ain’t getting any better.

the fewer chilfren people have the better. The wrldpopulation is far too high for the planet to support them with out planetary damage, why else do we have global warming?

Thankfully two thirds of all countries in the world are at population replacement level or below. That includes the UK. Our population growth is solely caused by immigration. A statement of fact, not of personal bias. The same applies to all the advanced countries in the world. Italy, Japan and Korea are among the countries with the lowest birth rates. I hope that within the next century world population will halve.

Obviously this will cause structural problems, but when does the world not face major structural problems somewhere or another. Wars kill off people,predominantly young people, so do natural disasters and pandemics. WW1, as well as killing millions of mainly young men, overlapped with the pandemic of Spanish flu. Most victims of Spanish flu were between 20 - 40 in age, where with COVID it was mainly the elderly.

"Males kill and Females nuture". Try telling that to anybody who has got between a mother bear and her cub. Females tend to kill only when they see no alternative.