Paul Doyle sentenced to 21+ years

welbeck

He was seen to be driving in an aggressive and dangerous manner from his home in the suburbs not just when he reached the city centre crowds.

He drove through a red light at speed and undertook other vehicles en route to the city centre.

He was seen to be driving in an aggressive and dangerous manner from his home in the suburbs not just when he reached the city centre crowds.

I don’t see this in such simplistic terms keeping quiet. The reason he was there is irrelevant. His murderous rage is the relevant issue

I’m sure everyone reading this thread has found themselves in really stressful situation in the context of doing a favour. We don’t lose control and drive our cars into crowds

What point are yiu making about him supporting Everton not Liverpool?
Life changed in a sixpence for Doyle’s victims

I read he had agreed to drop off a friend in the city centre and would go back for him later. This friend was a friend of his wife, and he supposedly did it as a favour to her.
Doyle is an Everton, not Liverpool, supporter.
When the friend messaged him to ask to be picked up Doyle agreed to go and fetch him but was unable to get through the crowd.
I am sure that what seemed a favour to his wife's friend at the beginning turned out to be a terrible mistake- and then going back again an even bigger one.
If he had simply told the guy to sort himself out we would never have heard of Paul Doyle and he would still be living his life...
How life can change on a sixpence.

He had choices. He’s caused life long trauma to so many. He has an awful temper.

IOMGran

He has a long history of violent outbursts. At what point should this be treated as a mental health issue?

I'm sure that they have looked into this IOM. I'm afraid I don't see the awful events as any more than nasty male "losing it" behaviour, and not suitable for Broadmoor, where there has to be an identifiable MH condition as in psychosis or strong risks of.
It may be spot on abut the trauma of course, there have to be factors to make him who he is.

I was aggrieved for the people of Liverpool when his attempt to plead not guilty rested on the crowd being aggressive towards him, throwing bottles at him etc.
Obviously, this was quickly disproved by CCTV footage, but how could he, a resident of the city, slur his fellow citizens to try to save his own skin. Liverpudlians remember Hillsborough.

Iam64

MayBee people can be home after a section if they’re responding to treatment. Why shouldn’t she be driving ?

Her behaviour, in general, has been quite frightening over the past couple of years. Throwing stones at peoples houses, trying to poison her neighbours dog etc. She was eventually sectioned because she attacked her partner and could have blinded him.

At the time I really wondered about the reason but it seems as if it was just a case of blind rage/ red mist or whatever you want to call it.
He deserves the sentence he got.I doubt that he will serve all of it the way our prisons are going it will be 40% of the sentence or mistakenly released in a fortnight.

MayBee people can be home after a section if they’re responding to treatment. Why shouldn’t she be driving ?

Going off at a slight tangent here but my partner has a neighbour that has been sectioned for six months. But he saw her driving her car today. Surely that shouldn’t be allowed? He thought she was in hospital.

Broad moor is a physchiatric hospital BUT for the criminally insane

The Judge’s sentencing remarks should be enough for posters to accept justice has been done so far as this shocking crime is concerned.

He lost his temper, spectacularly. It was some years since he’d lost control in a public setting but his history confirmed he was capable of rage.

I wonder if some responses would be less needing to find mental health issues had he no been white British with a seemingly decent life

He has been assessed by all accounts, but has not been assessed as severely mentally ill. Secure hospitals like Rampton and Broadmoor would therefore not be appropriate for him. He was deemed to be suitable for prison. We have to trust that that was the right decision, given we don’t know all the facts.

IOMGran

Think it should have been life in Broadmoor as he's violent and unpredictable. Also would deny access to roids.

A Broadmoor stretch would have been just the job.

Does Rampton still exist.? That would be even better!!!!

Goodness me, I'm astonished that posters are trying to mitigate his actions!

Judge Andrew Menary KC says Doyle "drove over limbs and crushed prams" causing "devastation", injuring more than 130 people

Judge Andrew Menary KC told Paul Doyle his driving was "aggressive and dangerous" as he ploughed into a crowd in Liverpool.

"Between 17:59 and 18:01, you used your vehicle as a weapon... driving into and over more than 100 people," he told the 54-year-old.

Not a popular point of view I'm sure but maybe we could just pull back from being judge and jury.

No need to be jury. He pleaded guilty.
Paul Doyle, 54, has changed his pleas to guilty on all 31 charges arising from the crash during Liverpool’s title parade in May. The charges include dangerous driving and affray, nine counts of causing grievous bodily harm (GBH) with intent, 17 counts of attempting to cause GBH, and three counts of wounding with intent.

The judge summed up and sentenced Doyle.

This is not sub judice. We can now comment.

Furret

Good. Driving into a crowd and injuring 137 people. Now that’s what I call justice.,

Yes, but the bigger picture is this:

Based on a BBC study using Freedom of Information requests to police forces between 2007 and 2014 regarding incidents where a cyclist was killed by a motor vehicle:
276 recorded incidents resulted in a cyclist's death.
148 of these (54%) resulted in the driver being charged with an offence.
108 of those charged (73%) resulted in a conviction.
This indicates that approximately 46% of incidents where a cyclist was killed did not result in a charge, and a further 27% of those charged were not convicted (acquitted or discharged).
More recent analysis and evidence submitted to the UK Parliament suggests that only a fraction of drivers in crashes that kill vulnerable road users (pedestrians and cyclists) ever face serious criminal charges.
Campaigning groups argue for greater transparency so it is possible to know how many collisions result in a prosecution and conviction, and the reasons for "no further action", highlighting that this data is not consistently or transparently available.

Of course, what Doyle did was outrageous but there is violence and death on our roads all the time and one case, monstrous in its outcome, doesn't mean we can shut the door and ignore the rest.

I'm sorry, Granatlast007, but I cannot for the life of me see how it can be a 'small step' to run down a human being just because someone in in a hurry or angry. Yes, I'm sure that there are some on here who have had the odd episode of road rage from time to time - but it's a far cry from uttering a few swear words or blasting your horn at someone to deliberately driving into someone. I don't see how anyone can excuse his behaviour.

When he fits the criteria for a diagnosis of a mental illness.

According to the prosecution's summing up he had not been under the influence of drugs or alcohol and tests had shown he had not suffered a medical episode. The car was in a roadworthy condition with no signs of a malfunction rendering it impossible to control..
I have noticed before now that speaking about childhood trauma is never popular on GN. The BBC ran an interesting column headed The Two Sides of Liverpool Attacker, Paul Doyle, he certainly had a troubled teenage/young adult time but he had stayed out of trouble 32 years, went to university, got a good job in IT where he was described as a nice man who would do anything for anybody, he was described as a generous and helpful man by the neighbours and he loved hiking in the Lake District and running marathons.
I saw some comments that suggested that he had agreed to pick up his wife that day and was on the way to do that, that some of the football crowd had banged on the car and so on. 99 percent of people will not understand or offer any compassion for what followed but something happened that changed 30+ years of relatively tolerant living.
I wonder about his childhood, there can be emotional neglect as well as physical. I have spoken to Quaker friends who do prison visiting and they tell me just how many prisoners have suffered deprivation and abuse as childen.
I also wonder about the state of our roads today. People drive dangerously and aggressively, cars have become weapons, road rules are ignored, cyclists (another GN bugbear) are often dealt aggressive behaviour because they are 'in the way', road rage has become common but is rarely punished.
I live near a common where the roads have become race tracks and the cattle who live on it are knocked down, even killed by hit and run drivers. It can be a small step to run down a human when you are in a hurry and angry at the traffic and the potholes.
Not a popular point of view I'm sure but maybe we could just pull back from being judge and jury.

He lost his temper at the onset and his rage grew throughout the rampage.
labazs, a number of posters have suggested his behaviour within his family may have been less than ideal

ViceVersa

Primrose53

keepingquiet

Being violent and nasty to people isn't the same as deliberately driving into people knowing you could injure or kill them. He doesn't have a brain tumour.

How do you know this? I hope the experts have considered this and he has had brain scans.

I'm pretty sure that if there was even the slightest question of there being some kind of medical explanation for what he did, his defence team would have been all over it.

According to the prosecution's summing up he had not been under the influence of drugs or alcohol and tests had shown he had not suffered a medical episode. The car was in a roadworthy condition with no signs of a malfunction rendering it impossible to control.

it was awful for those people who were simply enjoying a family time out and now many have life changing injuries not to mention PTSD. people were trapped under his car yet he kept going. well done to the man who forced the car into park by jumping in the back of the car.
due to his behaviour, i shall say this which will not be popular, maybe his wife will be glad to see the back of him because who knows really how he treated her?

Not long enough as he will never do the full term