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Venezuela air attack

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Grandmabatty Sat 03-Jan-26 08:35:31

US have attacked Venezuela with missiles. This is unforgivable

SporeRB01 Wed 07-Jan-26 21:32:06

AGAA4

Thank you MaizieD very interesting. If the US dollar is in jeopardy from new currencies then it makes the attack on Venezuela and possibly others using different currency much more understandable.
The reasons given by the US were fake.

Saddam Hussein moved the oil sales from US dollars to Euros and Gaddafi from US dollars to gold dinars challenging the petrodollar system. Both assassinated.

foxie48 Wed 07-Jan-26 21:46:51

With Trump and his politics all we need to do is follow the money!

David49 Thu 08-Jan-26 07:24:37

The US has now decides to stop oil tankers at sea to stop sanction breaking, the UK helped stop one yesterday in mid Atlantic.
If this continues we need to decide, do the sanctions mean anything and how far are we willing to go to enforce them. Many other countries take Russian and Iranian oil at a discounted price where do we draw the line.

fancythat Thu 08-Jan-26 08:59:26

imaround

The oil companies are already on planes and Venezuela will send oil to the US, who will sell it at market price and "hold" the profit, to be controlled by Trump, so it will benefit the people of Venezuela.

Looks like he didn't have to wait long to profit.

What you write all sounds plausible.
But in reality, I am not sure I understand any of it.

Would you mind rewriting it? [you don thave to if you dont want to].

imaround Thu 08-Jan-26 11:48:59

I am paraphrasing here.

Venezuela gave up 50 - 80 million barrels of oil, which Trump has declared that he alone is in charge of. It will be sold on the open market and Trump will decide how it is spent, so he says. Of course to help the people of Venezuela.

Except he already has the oil companies in Venezuela and no one knows what he promised them.
At the very least, we should be looking at payments bribes from the oil companies.

Follow the money.

imaround Thu 08-Jan-26 11:52:13

You have to go back a bit to see what is happening.

www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/fossil-fuel-industry-donors-see-major-returns-trumps-policies

Elegran Thu 08-Jan-26 12:55:44

The major powers divide their global influence, conquer lesser nations, and pocket the profits.

I am speaking, of course, of the treaty ofTordesillas, in 1494, when power over the known world was divided between Spain and Portugal (by the agreement of Spain and Portugal) education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/treaty-tordesillas/

"The story goes back to the earlier advances of Portuguese and Spanish explorers into the eastern Atlantic in the 15th century. Already at the time, first the Portuguese and then the Castilian crowns successfully lobbied the papacy for recognition of an exclusive right to navigate, trade, and vest their authorities over the coasts of Africa and the isles in the Atlantic. The first voyage of Christopher Columbus (1451–1506) across the ocean in 1492 formed the occasion for the promulgation of a series of papal bulls by Pope Alexander VI (1431–1503). Through the bull Inter Caetera of 4 May 1493, the pope granted the two Iberian crowns an exclusive right to the outer-European world, dividing their respective spheres of influence by drawing a line 100 leagues (320 miles) west of the Azores and the Cape Verde Islands. Portugal could lay claim to any territories to the east of that line, while Spain was allotted the lands and seas to the west of it. The following year, the two parties amended the bull in the Treaty of Tordesillas (7 June 1494), by agreeing on a different line, running 370 leagues (1,185 miles) westwards from the Azores and Cape Verde Islands. This brought, inadvertently, the eastern shoulder of South America into the Portuguese sphere. After the first circumnavigation of the world, the two Iberian powers agreed on the dividing line in the Pacific between their spheres (Treaty of Saragossa, 22 April 1529)." opil.ouplaw.com/page/714

I wonder where the line has been drawn to divide the spheres of influence between Russia and the USA once Trump has annexed Venezuela, Greenland, Mexico, Cuba, and all his further planned colonies?