Venezuela air attack

That isn't surprising, though: the actions were just as parlous, imo, if not worse, but the world was in a different place entirely politically now as countries line up against Trump.

I think one of the biggest differences was that it wasn’t unexpected, and the reasons given were eloquently expressed, and at length. It wasn’t a ‘I do as I like and don’t have to tell you plebs why’ category of action. I’m not defending what happened at all, but I believe the perception of the necessity for the action was very different.

I think the outcome between Gonzalez, Machado and Rodriguez is very unclear. Trump obviously doesn't want the first two and Rodriguez doesn't sound too keen. Then there are the Generals....
It could all get very difficult.

Stephen Miller's wife has posted an image of Greenland covered by the flag of the USA.
Greenland/Denmark is a member of NATO.
Anyone concerned?

I think I mentioned the threat to Greenland earlier on the thread. He'll go as far as he gets away with, him and his allies. He really only can be defeated from the inside I fear. And there doesn't seem to be a strong resistance at the moment from the ruling party.

I still don't know enough about this to hold an informed discussion. Honestly, I was painting my bathroom yesterday.

I am concerned that he did this without Congress, which is unconstitutional in the US.

I am concerned that Trump broke International law.

And I am concerned that yesterday Trump mentioned Mexico, Columbia and now this post about Greenland.

I do wonder how many countries he has to invade before the rest of the world starts getting worried. Not to say they aren't to be honest, but I think there will come a time, soon, when the rest of the world will have to do something against the US. And we will deserve it as a country, even though so many of us don't support it.

I get all the diplomacy and why everyone has to tread lightly. My post is just about how I feel. I will rationalize it all later.

For anyone questioning the legality of attacking Venezuela and abducting their leader:

Remember we're talking about a highly corrupt leader, a known criminal who used his high office to make billions for himself, and has manipulated elections to stay in power, has used his military against his own citizens, has protected his corrupt friends and punished his political enemies.

And the President of Venezuela did
some bad things too.

Ashcombe

Ashcombe

For anyone questioning the legality of attacking Venezuela and abducting their leader:

Remember we're talking about a highly corrupt leader, a known criminal who used his high office to make billions for himself, and has manipulated elections to stay in power, has used his military against his own citizens, has protected his corrupt friends and punished his political enemies.

And the President of Venezuela did
some bad things too.

👏👏👏

Well said Ashcombe!!!

imaround

I still don't know enough about this to hold an informed discussion. Honestly, I was painting my bathroom yesterday.

I am concerned that he did this without Congress, which is unconstitutional in the US.

I am concerned that Trump broke International law.

And I am concerned that yesterday Trump mentioned Mexico, Columbia and now this post about Greenland.

I do wonder how many countries he has to invade before the rest of the world starts getting worried. Not to say they aren't to be honest, but I think there will come a time, soon, when the rest of the world will have to do something against the US. And we will deserve it as a country, even though so many of us don't support it.

I get all the diplomacy and why everyone has to tread lightly. My post is just about how I feel. I will rationalize it all later.

I think that countries should all be very concerned now. He’s not going to stop. He’s been quiet on Canada, but it’s still in his plans

Maduro's allies are still in charge in Venezuela. They denounce the killing of innocent civilians by the US.
The way the US carried out this attack is illegal under international law.
Trump gets more dangerous every day.

Here's a wee twist, yes, from Facebook. But keep an eye out in case it comes up from a more reliable source.
The whole thing was a pre-arranged set up.
Look how easily it was executed
Did the Russians know in advance, and that's why they evacuated their people 14 days ago?

Haven't fact checked any of this.

The operatives who captured him have been in Caracas for 3 months.

Maduro was just one part of an extremely corrupt regime, there are all the rest of them in office who can continue his 'work'. I'm sure that they are not best pleased at having their figurehead abducted.

Will they submit easily to Trump's wishes or will they resist and make him put military boots on the ground?

And do we care? MaizieD Trump’s war, not ours.

ronib

And do we care? MaizieD Trump’s war, not ours.

Well, I feel very sorry for the Venezuelans who have endured so much cruelty, corruption and poverty over the years. thanks, in part to the USA. They'd be caught in the middle of whatever horrors a resistance would provoke.

Am I not allowed to be concerned about people from other countries?

MaizieD

Maduro was just one part of an extremely corrupt regime, there are all the rest of them in office who can continue his 'work'. I'm sure that they are not best pleased at having their figurehead abducted.

Will they submit easily to Trump's wishes or will they resist and make him put military boots on the ground?

No sovereign country should submit easily to the demands of a

Dictator.

Yes of course you are. MaizieD. Didn’t quite mean to imply that … but feel strongly this is not our fight.

Oh Ronib, that is what people have thought of previous dictators - "well, it doesnt concern us" when that dictator invades a nearby country - then its "just another", and it still "doesnt concern us" - until one day it does. Trump is a madman, and his appointees arrogant.

They are now threatening Greenland again. Denmarks PM was driven to comment ..and given that Denmark is a member of NATO - it is of concern.

"Her remarks come after Katie Miller - the wife of one of Trump's aides, Stephen Miller - *tweeted a map of Greenland in the colours of the American flag alongside the word "SOON"

"The Trump administration's recent move to appoint a special envoy to Greenland prompted anger in Denmark"

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g0zg974v1o.amp

article updated 2 hours ago.

When it is Denmark he is after, I doubt people will be so blasé.

" Not our fight "
Standing in solidarity with countries who recognise the importance of adherence to International law is always our "fight" It's what helps to keep us and our fellow humans in other countries and continents safe. It's not perfect, it doesn't always work but once countries look the other way and say it's nothing to do with us, there will be more people put at risk of oppression and mistreatment and one day that will be us.

imaround

When it is Denmark he is after, I doubt people will be so blasé.

While we have been concentrating on Venezuela there are major US movement of troops and equipment into Europe, dozens of flights into Fairford and Mildenhall, it probably is exercises.
On the other hand taking over Denmark or even kidnaping Putin might be the aim