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Now we are beginning to understand why the international rule of law is so important.

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Whitewavemark2 Mon 05-Jan-26 08:55:28

We watched as various countries have failed to comply with the international rule of law regarding things like the refugee convention.

We watched as countries like, Israel, Russia, and so on, broke the international rule of law with impunity, but failed somehow to understand the seriousness of it.

We watched as Trump has played fast and loose with the world order, and failed to understand the seriousness of it.

Now Trump is threatening a NATO country.

Do we now understand the need for the international rule of law and why it is so important to everyone on this earth.

LemonJam Sun 11-Jan-26 11:47:26

While a sword conquers territory, a pen can conquer hearts and minds, influencing societies more profoundly than temporary military might.

Words can inspire revolutions ( like Martin Luther King) or establish fundamental laws ( like the Magna Carter).

Oreo Sun 11-Jan-26 11:54:02

But in the short term, where territory is concerned then the sword wins every time.A follow up by the pen can either cement that or make people uneasy.
It’s a dog eat dog world however different we would prefer it to be.

LemonJam Sun 11-Jan-26 11:58:27

The written word is more effective than short term violence as a means for social or political change.

Syracute Sun 11-Jan-26 11:59:46

Oreo

But in the short term, where territory is concerned then the sword wins every time.A follow up by the pen can either cement that or make people uneasy.
It’s a dog eat dog world however different we would prefer it to be.

You must have a copy of Project 2025 at home.

DaisyAnneReturns Sun 11-Jan-26 12:00:01

Whilst I think it makes a better story, I think the timings regarding Herod (who was undoubtedly a murderous abd vile person) are wrong DaisyAnneReturns.

It doesn't matter Oreo. Please don't spend your time on it for my sake. Others chose to make this about religion. I was merely acknowledging that, and trying to pull the thread back to the point made in the OP. That we are "beginning to understand why the international rule of law is so important".

Maremia Sun 11-Jan-26 12:03:00

It is important DAR, and we should try to hold onto it while we can.

LemonJam Sun 11-Jan-26 12:08:17

OP- "Do we now understand the need for the international rule of law and why it is so important to everyone on this earth".

The international rule of law - i.e. a form of words- following WW2 achieved peace in Europe for many years.

Trump's current use of might, "playing fast and loose with the world order", may achieve his short term goals. That is until his electorate tire of the short term, arguable "gains/wins".

There will then follow a form of words to achieve some semblance of a return to social order- valued by so many. Words as ever more powerful and sustaining.

DaisyAnneReturns Sun 11-Jan-26 12:13:57

Maremia

It is important DAR, and we should try to hold onto it while we can.

I'm sorry Maremia, I don't understand. I don't think, (if that's what you mean) I said international law wasn't important. Quite the reverse. I was trying to bring us back on topic.

Sometimes you fail. Sometimes others are intent on trying to make you fail.

Galaxy Sun 11-Jan-26 12:14:54

Wasn't the magna carta signed after considerable violence. It was an armed uprising wasn't it.

Maremia Sun 11-Jan-26 12:18:46

International law is important. if that's what you are saying DAR, I agree.

Maremia Sun 11-Jan-26 12:19:39

It was the Barons against the King, forcing him to reduce his power and give some to them.

LemonJam Sun 11-Jan-26 12:21:08

Galaxy 12.14

Yes- King John of England sealed the Magna Carter under duress from his rebellious barons- who were angered by his heavy taxes to fund foreign wars and his abuse of feudal rights. It forced King John to agree to limits on royal power and guarantees of justice and fair trial for free men.

The MC established the principle that no one, not even the King, is above the law....

DiamondLily Sun 11-Jan-26 16:51:50

It might be important, but as no one with any relevance seems to be obeying it, it’s pretty useless. 🤷‍♀️

LemonJam Sun 11-Jan-26 20:28:21

DiamondLily 16.51 - it’s your opinion that no one of any relevance seems to obey international law and on that basis it’s useless.
I don’t share your view.

Cossy Sun 11-Jan-26 20:44:22

LemonJam

DiamondLily 16.51 - it’s your opinion that no one of any relevance seems to obey international law and on that basis it’s useless.
I don’t share your view.

Neither can share this view, however there’s no doubt that some pretty big players totally running roughshod over I.L.

Basgetti Mon 12-Jan-26 00:35:36

issibon

UK has already been invaded
Invaders everywhere in hotels HMOs

Oh, behave 🙄