Woman shot and killed by ICE officers in Minneapolis, Minnesota

The First Amendment?

Syracute 10.08: "Well said Wyllow . Trump’s latest manoevre with the Federal Reserve is his latest cudgel. He will batter and threaten anyone and that person now is Jerome Powell.

Trump is not interested in Democracy nor respects it.
If you disagree he will use his battering ram of verbal threats, lawsuits, firing when he can.

If Starfire wants to ignore the fact that Trump is leaning hard into fascism let’s review the definition :

Fascism is a far right, authoritarian political ideology emphasizing extreme nationalism, militarism, and a strong centralized autocratic government led by a dictator, prioritizing the nation or race above the individual and suppressing opposition through force.

Trump definitely fits the bill".

👏 👏 👏 Starfire is blinded to Trump's fascism.

Starters for ten!

Various sources

*Donald Trump has pursued various actions, primarily through executive orders and legal challenges, that constitutional scholars and legal experts argue attempt to undermine or violate several U.S. Constitutional laws and principles, including. These actions often faced immediate legal challenges, with many being temporarily blocked by federal courts.
Key U.S. constitutional areas that Trump has attempted to affect include:
Fourteenth Amendment (Citizenship and Equal Protection)
Trump has repeatedly attempted to end birthright citizenship—the principle that all individuals born on U.S. soil are citizens—through executive action. This principle is explicitly guaranteed by the Citizenship Clause of the 14th Amendment and has been upheld by over a century of Supreme Court precedent, including in the case of United States v. Wong Kim Ark (1898).
His administration's actions regarding diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) initiatives have also been challenged as potentially violating the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment.
Separation of Powers
Several of Trump's actions have raised concerns regarding the constitutional separation of powers among the executive, legislative, and judicial branches:
Congressional Power of the Purse (Article I): Trump has been accused of attempting to unconstitutionally impound (freeze) congressionally-appropriated funds, which legal experts argue undermines Congress's sole power to control federal spending.
Judicial Authority: Concerns have been raised about potential defiance of court orders and the "weaponization" of data for enforcement purposes, which critics argue challenges the judiciary's authority and due process rights guaranteed by the Fifth Amendment.
Executive Overreach: Legal challenges to numerous executive orders argue that the president is exceeding the scope of his executive authority under Article II of the Constitution.
Individual Rights and Due Process
Actions affecting fundamental individual rights have also been a point of contention:
Due Process (Fifth Amendment): Actions such as the proposed use of the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 to allow arrests without standard due process and the summary removal of individuals have been cited as potential violations of the right to due process.
First Amendment (Free Speech): Efforts to target specific law firms for their association with political opponents, or to influence content moderation online, have raised concerns about infringing upon free speech rights.
The majority of these actions have faced immediate legal challenges and many have been temporarily or permanently blocked by federal courts across the country.*

Starfire57

Also, the thing about Greenland. I don't know if you are aware but many, many mexican groups think they should take back the western states because they were "stolen"

You know, the states that the United States government legally purchased from Mexico in the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo

Bought and paid for. Not stolen. And, graciously allowed any Mexican citizen to stay and get instant citizenship, if they so choose.

Not a bad deal for the losing side in the Mexican-American War.

And this has what to do with Trump wishing to “take” (his words) Greenland?

A country owned by Denmark, which is not for sale and neither the people of Greeenland or Denmark wish to sell or be owned by America?

Allira

The First Amendment?

We still have that. Nobody's been arrested or jailed by the government for speech that I know of...

Starfire57- looking forward to your view on the definition of faascism and the examples of Trump's behaviour to demonstrate.

Falling back on the excuse he was "democratically elected" is deflection and not relevant to the facts of his authoritarian rule.

LemonJam

Starfire57- looking forward to your view on the definition of faascism and the examples of Trump's behaviour to demonstrate.

Falling back on the excuse he was "democratically elected" is deflection and not relevant to the facts of his authoritarian rule.

It’s not deflection at all, it’s key to this fascist accusation in your own interpretation above on this thread, where you use the word dictator.
The American people voted for him ( twice) and very many of them like his America first ethos.
He won’t be able to stand for a third term but it’s a possibility that the Republicans are elected again, it’s the people’s choice who live there.
Fascism is thrown around so often now that it’s losing all meaning.

Cossy

Starters for ten!

Various sources

*Donald Trump has pursued various actions, primarily through executive orders and legal challenges, that constitutional scholars and legal experts argue attempt to undermine or violate several U.S. Constitutional laws and principles, including. These actions often faced immediate legal challenges, with many being temporarily blocked by federal courts.
Key U.S. constitutional areas that Trump has attempted to affect include:
Fourteenth Amendment (Citizenship and Equal Protection)
Trump has repeatedly attempted to end birthright citizenship—the principle that all individuals born on U.S. soil are citizens—through executive action. This principle is explicitly guaranteed by the Citizenship Clause of the 14th Amendment and has been upheld by over a century of Supreme Court precedent, including in the case of United States v. Wong Kim Ark (1898).
His administration's actions regarding diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) initiatives have also been challenged as potentially violating the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment.
Separation of Powers
Several of Trump's actions have raised concerns regarding the constitutional separation of powers among the executive, legislative, and judicial branches:
Congressional Power of the Purse (Article I): Trump has been accused of attempting to unconstitutionally impound (freeze) congressionally-appropriated funds, which legal experts argue undermines Congress's sole power to control federal spending.
Judicial Authority: Concerns have been raised about potential defiance of court orders and the "weaponization" of data for enforcement purposes, which critics argue challenges the judiciary's authority and due process rights guaranteed by the Fifth Amendment.
Executive Overreach: Legal challenges to numerous executive orders argue that the president is exceeding the scope of his executive authority under Article II of the Constitution.
Individual Rights and Due Process
Actions affecting fundamental individual rights have also been a point of contention:
Due Process (Fifth Amendment): Actions such as the proposed use of the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 to allow arrests without standard due process and the summary removal of individuals have been cited as potential violations of the right to due process.
First Amendment (Free Speech): Efforts to target specific law firms for their association with political opponents, or to influence content moderation online, have raised concerns about infringing upon free speech rights.
The majority of these actions have faced immediate legal challenges and many have been temporarily or permanently blocked by federal courts across the country.*

First off, your own post kinda proved my point that we are not headed towards fascism with President Trump. Courts did block some actions. Didn't I mention our checks and balances worked?

My point was the frenzy over Trump is uncalled for.

Past presidents have tried things too and there have been changes to our constitution and laws as a result.

And for petes sake, it is not at all that shocking about his want to change birth right citizenship.....people have been screaming about wanting that for years!

Its a loophole that has been greatly taken advantage of with the Anchor babies!

In my parents neighborhood there was a house sold and walking through it there were cribs all over the place!! Turns out it was being used as anchor baby house. We were shocked. This was only one average neighborhood.

These are everywhere and are illegal to operate as a business in a residential neighborhood.

Our forefathers never anticipated such a misuse of the birthright clause.

We have a little thing called amendments to correct flaws or address and update our constitution...it was designed that way.

But a president cannot do it alone. Congress needs to pass an amendment.

I can tell you most of us Americans want an end to the whole anchor baby thing.

This isn't something Trump just made up willy nilly. This controversy been going on for years and years....

But you in the UK dont have to worry about anchor babies, do you, since you guys already do not have birthright citizenship unless one parent is a citizen!

That's what we want too.

So that and many other things Trump is doing, including the funds/money control etc is because people are tired of being ripped off in this country in more ways than one !

I think we have changed our laws here in the UK so that having a baby on ‘British Soil’ no longer confers citizenship.

Fascism is thrown around so often now that it’s losing all meaning.

Well said.
Labels appended and regarded as an argument clincher.

I have absolutely no issue whatsoever with proper legislation which goes through congress, anchor babies is certainly not right and is an issue we don’t have in the UK as we already changed our legislation, without one shot being fired!

Oreo

I think we have changed our laws here in the UK so that having a baby on ‘British Soil’ no longer confers citizenship.

Which is right as people were coming, quite legally, but pregnant.

Talking of frenzies, executive orders??

I'm fascinated by the concept that Trumps's regime can't be fascist because he was democratically elected. Of course a fascist leader can be democratically elected. Fascism is just another political ideology, like conservatism or socialism. The elections might be rigged, like Putin's are, but they pay lip service to democracy.

This is a link to a booklet prepared by the US Military at the end of WW2, when fascist regimes were the ones the Allies, fought to destroy. It is a text on how to recognise fascism.

Read though it and judge whether the 'signs' can be recognised in Trump's regime.

archive.org/details/ArmyTalkOrientationFactSheet64-Fascism/mode/2up

There seem to be two main themes to Trump's philosophy of government.

1) Might is Right

2) L'etat c'est moi

Starfire57
Surely you must realise that these Anchor babies have been subsidising your cheap food through their low paid long hours jobs.

www.ilr.cornell.edu/mobilizing-against-inequality/post/five-ways-undocumented-immigrants-are-powering-american-economy

Starfire57
If you can, watch this film. It’s a mockumentry but hammers home the truth.
The film shows that one day all the Mexicans disappear from California where the state collapses without them.

www.imdb.com/title/tt0377744/

petra

Starfire57
Surely you must realise that these Anchor babies have been subsidising your cheap food through their low paid long hours jobs.

www.ilr.cornell.edu/mobilizing-against-inequality/post/five-ways-undocumented-immigrants-are-powering-american-economy

Good point!

petra

Starfire57
If you can, watch this film. It’s a mockumentry but hammers home the truth.
The film shows that one day all the Mexicans disappear from California where the state collapses without them.

www.imdb.com/title/tt0377744/

Having cousins in California I can confirm many many businesses and people take advantage, and indeed rely on, black market illegal employers from Mexico.

The USA is not a fascist state, but Trump is definitely showing fascist tendencies

What it is not is

A dictatorship

Extreme nationalism

A single party state

A state managed economy

What it is however and has tendency towards

Nationalism

Scapegoating minorities

Authoritarian leader

Setting up of paramilitary groups

A cult of national strength

A tendency to try to control the media

You’ve probably covered this in your link maizie but I got sidetracked in the middle of posting my fascist definition and hadn’t read your post etc.

Casdon

But of course, Galaxy, the opposite approach doesn’t work either. That’s why there are now widespread protests against Trump, and other oppressive right wing regimes, it would happen here if Farage was in charge in the UK too. The truth is that the only political system that can succeed long term is one of compromise, the middle ground.

Starmer himself is pretty close to the middle ground, his MPs definitely aren’t, so his policies are not supported making him look a weak and indecisive leader.

Whitewavemark2

The USA is not a fascist state, but Trump is definitely showing fascist tendencies

What it is not is

A dictatorship

Extreme nationalism

A single party state

A state managed economy

What it is however and has tendency towards

Nationalism

Scapegoating minorities

Authoritarian leader

Setting up of paramilitary groups

A cult of national strength

A tendency to try to control the media

👏👏👏👏

David I agree, I think his ideology must be centre left.

If Trump manages to get rid of Jay Powell and install a sycophant it will be on its way to a state managed economy. Not a command economy like a communist state's, but controlling the money supply.

(Though I do actually think that cutting the interest rate, which Powell is refusing to do to order) would be beneficial)

Any guesses as to why Powell won’t cut the interest rate? Who is he protecting? Or not?