Iranian Revolution

I so hope so.

So many have been killed and so many detained, brave souls. I hope they manage to overthrow the regime before Trump descends in a blaze of glory.

Haven't picked up on this yet. Will head over to online news outlets, thanks.

The Guardian is saying that their internet is down, and in another article, reports on some 'unrest'.

Iran is in the %#£& all round.
One of the largest lending banks went bankrupt last December.
Their water and soil are bankrupt due to exploitation.
Maybe they should have concentrated more on their soil and water rather than spending squillions o trying to build an atomic bomb.
Where has all the money gone that the Russians paid them for all those drones.
I think we all know what country won’t be handing out money when they come knocking with the begging bowl.

People on X are posting videos of crowds in the streets in Tehran and other cities. This crowd is said to be shouting, 'Freedom, freedom, freedom!'
x.com/apostateprophet/status/2009358228036145152?s=46&t=VdUfE0uEBG3i5K_HhzIGqw

I hope they get it.

Once the Ayatolla's plane takes off for Russia, then it should be over.

There probably will be some change but the sanctions are not going to be relaxed until they give up nuclear expansion AND allow verification. It sounds simple but it’s a big climb down for Iran.

The people of Iran deserve better treatment than that which they have received at the hands of their leadership for many years. I hope that the current unrest brings changes for them.

It's a bit strange that some of the protestors are chanting for the return of the ex-Shah's exiled son, as leader.

Maremia

It's a bit strange that some of the protestors are chanting for the return of the ex-Shah's exiled son, as leader.

I agree. Seeing as the Shah was a dictator shoehorned in by the US whose secret police were known for their brutality.
Perhaps the son is offering something better for the people than his father did.
But am rather cynical about this.

Fallingstar

Maremia

It's a bit strange that some of the protestors are chanting for the return of the ex-Shah's exiled son, as leader.

I agree. Seeing as the Shah was a dictator shoehorned in by the US whose secret police were known for their brutality.
Perhaps the son is offering something better for the people than his father did.
But am rather cynical about this.

I can't help suspecting that the generality of Iranian people are as bad at judging potential leaders as people in other countries.

I think most people are just driven by hope that change will bring improvement in their daily lives.

I think I meant sceptical rather than cynical. But both describe my thoughts on the ex Shah’s son.

Fallingstar

Maremia

It's a bit strange that some of the protestors are chanting for the return of the ex-Shah's exiled son, as leader.

I agree. Seeing as the Shah was a dictator shoehorned in by the US whose secret police were known for their brutality.
Perhaps the son is offering something better for the people than his father did.
But am rather cynical about this.

All countries in that region are under military rule because there are always groups that use violence to further their aim, a change of government is not going to end authoritarian rule.

Getting sanctions removed will improve lives a great deal, democracy in the way we understand is some way off

This article goes a way to explain why they want the ex Shah’s son.

www.jpost.com/opinion/article-882426

I wish the Iranian people some level of success in overthrowing that God awful theocracy and replace it with a less authoritarian style of government. Religion and politics should be separate. The people, particularly the women have had a terrible time, as they always do under misogynistic old clerics. Nothing Godly about them. Unlike us they have less of an aging society, a lot of young people who want what most young people want, their freedom.

Before we moved here 5 years ago, we lived next door to an Iranian family for 20 years, so Iran would often come up in our chats with them.

I used to know many Iranians and almost married one.

They are a rich and diverse culture and saw themselves as distinct from Arab and also what they saw as the culturally corrupt west. They openly hated the Shah and the Americans who supported him- they could speak openly here but were always wary of SAVAC spies.

Most of them went back to support the Islamic Revolution but were completely naive about what that would mean for themselves and their families.

I fear now that that they may swing back to the west again instead of finding their own political solutions, but that's global politics for you.

I am not so sure that a revolution will happen anytime soon in Iran. The Ayatollahs seem very interested in holding on to power and it’s going to take a lot to budge them. I don’t see how demonstrations will succeed in regime change at this time. Obviously huge unrest in Iran but where does it go from here?

Watch Trump

Fallingstar

I think I meant sceptical rather than cynical. But both describe my thoughts on the ex Shah’s son.

Perhaps they genuinely believe that they will be better off

Whitewavemark2

Watch Trump

Indeed.
As far as I know the Shah’s son lives in Los Angeles, has done for most of his life, and Trump is probs backing him to become an easy way for the US to gain control of Iran.
Has happened before.
And is unlikely to be a secular democracy but more likely to be a monarchy with absolute rule as with the deposed Shah.
Am hoping thus isn’t the case and that the Iranian people will back a secular democratic leader.
They certainly deserve this.

The Supreme Leader is yet to show his hand in the way he brings the demonstrations under control.
He will not be asking Trump for his opinion. However by threatening to intervene, Trump has become a possible influence in controlling the number of deaths. But if Trump decides to become militarily involved, that argument won’t hold as total deaths will rise including US troops.

Maremia

The Guardian is saying that their internet is down, and in another article, reports on some 'unrest'.

Yep....deliberately "down" - ie the outgoing government did that.

Am keeping my fingers crossed for the protestors - especially those brave women whipping off their headscarves and burning them. I've certainly been remembering it used to be a pretty modern country - until the 1970s....

ronib

The Supreme Leader is yet to show his hand in the way he brings the demonstrations under control.
He will not be asking Trump for his opinion. However by threatening to intervene, Trump has become a possible influence in controlling the number of deaths. But if Trump decides to become militarily involved, that argument won’t hold as total deaths will rise including US troops.

There won’t be US boots on the ground Trump is capable of creating enough chaos attacking military targets in Iran, I’m sure Israel would love to find an excuse to join in.