West Midlands Police Scandal

AGAA4

I am not shocked as this seems to happen too often. Disappointed yes but I can see what this thread is really about.

Indeed.
It seems to just be a thread aimed at causing more division, as if we need that right now.

People are free not to join in threads they don't like and people are also free to talk about whatever they like ( in this case a story which featured on all major media outlets and is being discussed far and wide.

Also people are free to say if they find a thread divisive galaxy

Oreo
I’m not shocked.
It’s been a long time since I was shocked by a headline that stated the police lied.
This opinion doesn’t come from hearsay or the Daily Mail but from personal experiences.

Indeed but many threads are divisive, the Trump threads spring to mind, possibly all political threads, anything on abortion, anything on immigration.

In my experience when people say don't talk about a subject, it usually indicates a subject of high importance.

petra

Oreo
I’m not shocked.
It’s been a long time since I was shocked by a headline that stated the police lied.
This opinion doesn’t come from hearsay or the Daily Mail but from personal experiences.

Well we suffer the Met here in London, so enough said.

MayBee70

It is a lie to pretend that Maccabi fans have never gone out of their way to cause trouble. The end result ie the ban was the right one imo. If they had come here and caused trouble I'm sure that any protesters or muslims in the area would have been totally blamed for it.

Are you saying that the findings of HMICFRS are incorrect?
I am sure the investigation was carried out without prejudice.

The matter has been referred to the The Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) which has said it will continue looking into the actions of West Midlands Police, and the decision to ban Maccabi Tel Aviv fans from Birmingham, following Craig Guildford’s retirement as Chief Constable

www.policeconduct.gov.uk/news/iopc-statement-following-craig-guildfords-wmp-retirement

It is not unusual to find this kind of false evidence-fitting amongst police forces.

Fallingstar

AGAA4

I am not shocked as this seems to happen too often. Disappointed yes but I can see what this thread is really about.

Indeed.
It seems to just be a thread aimed at causing more division, as if we need that right now.

Why is a thread on one of the leading news stories of the last 24 hours aimed at causing more division

Surely it is of huge public interest that a police force fabricated a scenario with the use of AI to suit their purposes/agenda ?

MaizieD

^I think we should stop this and let this matter rest now, there has been far too much racial and political sensitivity already.^

Wise words, Fallingstar

👏👏👏👏

The investigation is ongoing.
Are you saying we should not discuss it because it is etill ongoing?

If you are saying we should not discuss it for any other reason, sorry, this is an extremely serious matter in that false information has been used by a senior police officer to justify hi actions.

But you should be satisfied that a senior member of staff in the Midlands police force has been sacked as a result of it.

More false information. Guildford was not sacked, he resigned and will receive his full pension.

The public deserves the truth and to be able to trust the police.

GrannyGravy13

Fallingstar

AGAA4

I am not shocked as this seems to happen too often. Disappointed yes but I can see what this thread is really about.

Indeed.
It seems to just be a thread aimed at causing more division, as if we need that right now.

Why is a thread on one of the leading news stories of the last 24 hours aimed at causing more division

Surely it is of huge public interest that a police force fabricated a scenario with the use of AI to suit their purposes/agenda ?

X post and I agree 100% GrannyGravy

Yes GG13 the issue with the police is newsworthy but there is more to this thread than that. That's all I was pointing out.

Support for the comments from GrannyGravy and Allira.

As Galaxy points out up thread, news and politics discussions are often divisive. Why is this one special, in that many are saying it shouldn’t be discussed. Why not?..

I really wasn’t saying it shouldn’t be discussed but that more speculation would be divisive, that is what I was trying to say to Oreo but somehow it turned into trying to stop a discussion.
I very much doubt any of us have the wherewithal to stop a discussion, and as a newbie who is discovering just how a thread can grow legs and walk, I think I would be the lowest in the pecking order when it comes to trying to stop anything.

Galaxy

In my experience when people say don't talk about a subject, it usually indicates a subject of high importance.

Ain’t that the truth!

People don’t like talking about things that make them uncomfortable

I’m going to post something really random now but the West Midlands police is a massive organisation and I think the bigger organisations are, the people at the top are so far removed from the people on the ground -so to speak- the they lose touch with what is actually going on. In a general sense and a wider sense.

Fallingstar

petra

Oreo
I’m not shocked.
It’s been a long time since I was shocked by a headline that stated the police lied.
This opinion doesn’t come from hearsay or the Daily Mail but from personal experiences.

Well we suffer the Met here in London, so enough said.

And by this you mean what? I have a son in the Met, what are you implying about him?

I don't think it's divisive for us to expect our police to present evidence, in any case not just in this one, which is thoroughly investigated an truthful.

We have seen too many cases where miscarriages of justice have happened in serious criminal cases. New laws do help to prevent this but we would be naïve to think it does not occur now.

Rosie51
Am sorry if I inadvertently insulted your son. There are good police officers and bad in the Met, sadly it has had a really bad rep which am sure you are aware of but would never say that all police officers in the Met are not doing a really sterling job and don’t deserve to be tarred with the same brush.
Am sure your son is aware of the rep the Met has in London and is doing his utmost like others to remedy this.

Fallingstar

petra

Oreo
I’m not shocked.
It’s been a long time since I was shocked by a headline that stated the police lied.
This opinion doesn’t come from hearsay or the Daily Mail but from personal experiences.

Well we suffer the Met here in London, so enough said.

Fallingstar
I grew up in Woolwich and Greenwich. Enough said 😉

Rosie51
When the commissioner of the MET says it’s going to take a decade to fix the corruption in the ( he’s wrong there) you know something is amiss.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/oct/02/met-corruption-crisis-commissioner-mark-rowley

Petra we are in Lewisham. Not far from Greenwich.

Rosie51

Fallingstar

petra

Oreo
I’m not shocked.
It’s been a long time since I was shocked by a headline that stated the police lied.
This opinion doesn’t come from hearsay or the Daily Mail but from personal experiences.

Well we suffer the Met here in London, so enough said.

And by this you mean what? I have a son in the Met, what are you implying about him?

No-one is implying anything about your son but there are rogue elements in the Met Police which should be rooted out.

Clever diversion into the problems of the Met.

If you can’t shut a discussion down, diversion is a tried and tested tactic, when you don’t want people to focus on what actually happened and why.

🙄

Here are 6 of the worst MET scandals.

news.sky.com/story/six-of-the-worst-scandals-the-metropolitan-police-has-faced-in-recent-years-as-pressure-grows-on-force-12839492

Lathyrus3

Clever diversion into the problems of the Met.

If you can’t shut a discussion down, diversion is a tried and tested tactic, when you don’t want people to focus on what actually happened and why.

🙄

I’m not diverting. I gave my reason for not being shocked or surprised and it went from there.