Trump Claims Publication Of Files Absolves Him of Wrongdoing?

M0nica The price of a share reflects the value of the business that it is invested in. A successful business with a good return on capital and secure and growing markets will have a higher share value than a similar sized company with a poor return on capital and in a market that is declining, making diesel cars, for example.

People and organisations invest in companies not just for capital growth but also for dividends. My, and most people's occupational pensions are paid from dividends received and income on bonds.

It is no difference from buying a house from a builder and then selling it on. Someone buys shares in a new business and some years later wants to sell them on. If the company they bought shares in is now a big thriving company then their shares are worth more as a proportion of the company's value.

Spot on.

Risk-reward, choose wisely and hopefully be well rewarded.

icanhandthemback

Meandrogrog

undines

Here we go again - Trump bashing. It seems to be the main topic on everyone's mind. Here we have grooming gangs still not properly investigated, and we have a royal family, the king and his brother, closely involved with two highly active paedophiles. Among many other crucial topics that I could mention. But let's not ask disturbing questions, let's carry on having a go at our pantomime villain.

Yes I do agree with this. The forums do seem full of posters bopping up and down with indignation about Trump. Its Trump bashing or racism, there seems to be an obsession about these two issues, and my observation is from posters on the left of the political spectrum. I do feel those on the right to be more tolerant and with more of a sense of humour. Just my personal observations!

I am not on the left side of the political spectrum and do not see anything humorous about most of Trump's behaviour. Anybody who treats women like he does, even without his connections to Epstein, is not funny nor does he deserve tolerance.

Since the 1970's at least 25 women have accused Donald Trump of rape, sexual assault, and sexual harassment, including non-consensual kissing or groping

In 2005 he publicly boasted that "he got away with going backstage when the contestants were naked" at beauty pageants. In October 2016, a "hot mic" recording surfaced in which Trump was heard saying that "when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. ... Grab 'em by the pussy."

In July 2023, Judge Kaplan stated that the jury had found that Trump had raped Carroll according to the common definition of the word as they had ruled that Trump had forcibly and non consensually penetrated Carroll's vagina with his fingers.

His attitude towards women reporters has been watched by the world throughout his Presidency.

Excuse me if others and I view the man as menace who doesn't deserve the respect you seem to think he deserves.

Yes I do agree with your post, its not respect, just should we make an enemy of the POTUS who is well intentioned towards this country. A lot of presidents have not been!

Norah

M0nica The price of a share reflects the value of the business that it is invested in. A successful business with a good return on capital and secure and growing markets will have a higher share value than a similar sized company with a poor return on capital and in a market that is declining, making diesel cars, for example.

People and organisations invest in companies not just for capital growth but also for dividends. My, and most people's occupational pensions are paid from dividends received and income on bonds.

It is no difference from buying a house from a builder and then selling it on. Someone buys shares in a new business and some years later wants to sell them on. If the company they bought shares in is now a big thriving company then their shares are worth more as a proportion of the company's value.

Spot on.

Risk-reward, choose wisely and hopefully be well rewarded.

I don't think that MOnica has quite got the gist of what she was replying to. The assertion is that people with wealth 'invest' in businesses. I was pointing out that much of this 'investment' never went near the business that was being 'invested' in because it mainly happens in the secondary market, where shares are sold on. Which her response and Norah's perfectly illustrate.

I did say that the only time businesses receive the money from their shares is when they initially offer them for sale (the IPO) or if they have created more to sell for additional capitalisation. I'm not as flipping naive as MOnica makes out.

AI gave me figures on the size of the primary and secodary markets globally

Primary market size (new issuance)

Global IPO and other new share issuance volumes have historically been in the hundreds of billions of dollars per year — for example around ~$600 billion in IPO volumes in a recent year.

Secondary market size (trading)

In contrast, the total value of shares traded in secondary markets worldwide can be on the order of tens to hundreds of trillions of dollars annually — one estimate puts this around $150 trillion+ of trading value in a given year.

hmm...

AI also tells me that in the UK there has been a shift away from pension fund investment in equities (shares) to investment in bonds. The difference is about 5% more in bonds than in equities. Bonds are safer but less liquid.

Goodness, this is interesting

The balance between institutional investors and private investors in the secondary markets is 75 - 85% institutional and 10 - 15% private. Of the institutional investors 55 - 66% are 'international investors, only 15 - 30% are UK. So the profits that many companies make from us, the UK consumers of their products. goes off out of the UK altogether... contributing to our deficit..

Oreo

I agree that he likely means cleared of wrongdoing.
Now has he got dementia or hasn’t he? If he has then nobody could blame him for anything he does or says right now, but they do don’t they? Including very much on this very forum.
I don’t think he has tbh as I work with dementia patients and allI can say is that at the worst he may have the beginnings of it but even that’s very unsure.

I don't think he's got dementia. To me it looks more like congenital stupidity & a massive sense of entitlement.

Meandrodrog
This might come as a shock to you, but, Donald Trump doesn’t give a FF about anyone or anything except Donald Trump.
Did you see his pet rottweiler ( otherwise known as Pam Boni) ranting at the Democrats house of judiciary committee?
I pity the American people who have to witness this awful scenario.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15550347/Pam-Bondi-Epstein-files-scandal-performance-screams-cover-up.html

"The balance between institutional investors and private investors in the secondary markets is 75 - 85% institutional and 10 - 15% private. Of the institutional investors 55 - 66% are 'international investors, only 15 - 30% are UK. So the profits that many companies make from us, the UK consumers of their products. goes off out of the UK altogether... contributing to our deficit."

Our deficit is growing because we have fewer and fewer UK companies they have all been taken over by foreigners, with the lack of support by successive governments that's hardly surprising. Even our utilities are foreign owned draining the national wealth each year, its government policy.

Growth in the value of shares is an important part of our finances whether it's pensions, life insurance, banking or direct investment, bonds are a safe haven unlikely to lose value, although UK shares have done well this year they had been in the doldrums for many years.
There are many investment strategies depending on the risk appetite, professional investors will take more risks because they can react to market changes very quickly. Even so it difficult to make money, there are relatively few who make fortunes share trading.

An increasing number of high street names are owned by foreigners, EU USA, Gulf States and others all draining our money because we won't invest ourselves.

I did notice this, petra. Ms Bondi did seem rather rattled, didn't she?
She might want to look at Ms Noem's recent utterances, based around " I was following orders". Perhaps she is preparing her defence.. for when it might be required.
So, Ms Bondi, which are you planning
1. I was only following orders
Or
2. I didn't know/ didn't understand/no - one told me.
It's always good to look ahead .

So, Ms Bondi, which are you planning
1. I was only following orders
Or
^2. I didn't know/ didn't understand/no - one told me.
It's always good to look ahead^

1 It is her job to advise the POTUS not vice versa.
2 If Ms Bondi doesn't understand what's going on, then surely no-one does!

It took ages for the files to be released, and then heavily redacted. Also, I think a commentator stated that only around 50% of the files have been released.

It seems rather convenient that it is primarily British people on whom the spotlight has fallen - much as they deserve it. Very little mention has been made of US and other persons. Though Clinton has been mentioned (not much of a shock there, given his previous behaviour), little has been made of it. Noam Chomsky has been implicated, though I don't know the details. He is well known for his politically non-conformist, left-leaning commentaries and books. Seems a bit convenient to me that only certain people have had the full glare of the media on them.

It seems rather convenient that it is primarily British people on whom the spotlight has fallen - much as they deserve it. Very little mention has been made of US and other persons.

That is because we are in Britain and the media has focussed on high profile British named in the files.

Would you be any the wiser if our media had concentrated on high profile Americans who you had never heard of?

According to our US poster, imaround there is plenty of focus on US people in the US

Allira

^So, Ms Bondi, which are you planning^
1. I was only following orders
Or
^2. I didn't know/ didn't understand/no - one told me.
It's always good to look ahead^

1 It is her job to advise the POTUS not vice versa.
2 If Ms Bondi doesn't understand what's going on, then surely no-one does!

I think she does understand what is going on, and what has gone on in the past. She is trying to protect people rather than ensuring justice is done, and she is an unconvincing liar under pressure. It really is a dreadful display.

Casdon

Allira

So, Ms Bondi, which are you planning
1. I was only following orders
Or
^2. I didn't know/ didn't understand/no - one told me.
It's always good to look ahead^

1 It is her job to advise the POTUS not vice versa.
2 If Ms Bondi doesn't understand what's going on, then surely no-one does!

I think she does understand what is going on, and what has gone on in the past. She is trying to protect people rather than ensuring justice is done, and she is an unconvincing liar under pressure. It really is a dreadful display.

The quote marks I tried to use didn't work ^^

I was quoting and answering Chocolatelovinggran and I presumed her questions were sardonic anyway.

I can confirm that I am seeing very little about any British people in the files on my side of the pond. If what you are seeing focuses heavily on the British people in the files, that is a decision made by the media corps you are watching.

I also find it interesting that anyone would assume people in the US care so much about the Brits in the file. We have bigger fish to fry here to be honest. We want to take down the big guy and his network. All the dominos that fall along with him, no matter the country of origin, is well deserved justice icing on the cake.

I saw that Casey Wasserman, top Hollywood talent agent is being abandoned by his stars, and Bill Gates has more questions to answer. It is starting to really affect some of those involved in the USA now, but it was painfully obvious from Pam Bondi that it’s going to be a long slow process to catch the monkey.

I have nothing nice to say about Bondi, so I will say nothing at all. It would get me banned I would think.

Indeed, Allira, it was intended to be irony.
This woman has no defence for her behaviours.
I am encouraged by the thought that, eventually, Mr Nixon's legal advisor was exposed for his part in that gentleman's downfall

Watch the latest episode of The Grifters by Mr Newberger imaround, it sums it up perfectly.

My guess is the ‘lovely’Donald would have had many women throwing themselves at him and wouldn’t particularly need the likes of Epstein to find young women for him. More like the other way round if you think about it. Which may or may not exonerate him because we don’t know the age of his lovers/ victims.

Another one bites the dust.

Good. Just need some of the guilty men named.

I’m do think it will happen. It’s like when a line of upended dominoes is pushed from one end.

Casdon

I’m do think it will happen. It’s like when a line of upended dominoes is pushed from one end.

Oh gosh, I have a vision in my mind now!
Dominoes with faces on them, going down one after another. .

Yes, that’s in my mind too Allira, two new significant US ones this week, so it is moving along the line.

Interesting how political affiliations are obvious in certain replies. All the Reformers dismissing Trump and focusing instead in grooming gangs.

Why might that be I wonder?😳

And another one.

www.forbes.com/sites/mikestunson/2026/02/13/dubai-ceo-resigns-after-released-email-showed-epstein-thanking-him-for-torture-video/