Eugenie and Beatrice

I agree.

I agree.

What sort of mother takes her two daughters, whatever their age, to stay with a convicted paedophile. It just goes to show how desperate Fergie was for Epstein’s monetary support. It looks as if he was using the girls, through Fergie to entertain some of his rich clients ( not suggesting anything sexual). However, they were 19 and 20 so they must have been aware of his conviction so could have refused but,
as you say, they probably did what their mother told them to do.
It is a shame as they both have good marriages and children so don’t need to be dragged into this.

I agree with all the above.They have been used.

It may well be unfair, but given that they have been named in some of the emails there was bound to be press interest. I'm with Sadgrandma though - I can't believe any mother would take her daughters to visit a convicted paedophile.

Well it’s not really relevant and just press intrusion and sensationalisation but if they were 19 and 20 they had minds of their own so it was their choice Both seem strong women perfectly able to say ‘not today Mama dear’
I wrongly presumed they were children when taken

Both seem strong women

they both have good marriages

We don't know these people do we?

After all, we were told Fergie was fun and Andrew was a good sort. Nice but dim. Served his country and all that.

Their names are now being raised. Am not sure why so will wait for further clarification. Until then I think is wrong to speculate. These young women must be mortified by what is being revealed about their parents and cannot help being their offspring.

They must (surely) be mortified?

Penny Smith, in part of an interview I saw, thinks they should give up their titles. Would that help?
Personally, with good marriages, children and plenty of money, they could just have nice, upper class lives, doing a bit behind the scenes for good causes.
On the other hand, they could come out fighting!

Who knows? Who cares?

TBH I just feel sorry for them, seeing their parents scorned and slated in the papers every day.

How embarrassing this must be to those two Women.
They need to their parents at arms length. Sadly the press will be out for them now.

Georgesgran

They must (surely) be mortified?

Penny Smith, in part of an interview I saw, thinks they should give up their titles. Would that help?
Personally, with good marriages, children and plenty of money, they could just have nice, upper class lives, doing a bit behind the scenes for good causes.
On the other hand, they could come out fighting!

Who knows? Who cares?

Children can hardly be blamed for their parents behaviour, surely.
One of the emails from Fergie to Epstein mentioned that she was waiting for Eugenie to come home after a sha**ing weekend. Why would you say that to anyone let alone one of the world's worst paedophiles? The girls must be very hurt, ashamed and disappointed with what has gone on. Stripping them of their titles would just be cruel..

It’s a whole den of nastiness isn’t it ?
All the more reason just to have a king or queen and let the rest earn their own money and do what they think is right or wrong and have no fame or titles or pots of gold.
The thing is I always got the impression they were both very loyal and loving to their parents so what a big old mess
Fergy and Andrew it seems deserve each other, maybe the girls need to concentrate on their own new families and move away a bit, at least press wise from their parents, thankfully neither live at home so separation can be seen.

I agree.

They were no longer children, but they were just finding their feet at the time and maybe didn't have minds of their own. You have to put this into the context of the schools they attended too, which don't necessarily equip the child with knowledge of the real world.
I feel sorry for them, it will take a long time to heal.
The shagging comment was inappropriate, not funny.

Horrible entitled parents. Here’s hoping the two daughters didn’t inherit their attitudes. It is good they are both married and can concentrate on their own immediate families rather than those two horrors.

No one has proposed stripping them of their titles.

Penny Smith suggested they voluntarily give them up, and lead a less public life.

Probably it’s part of the deal the King has had to make with his brother, allowing B&E to remain within the family, unlike their parents.

And however bad Andrew and Fergie have been, they have always been a united pair with regards to their daughters.

There was never any of the ‘War of the Yorks’ like the ‘War of the Wales’ when they split up.

B&E never seemed to be affected by their parents divorce as did William and Harry.

MartavTaurus

I agree.

They were no longer children, but they were just finding their feet at the time and maybe didn't have minds of their own. You have to put this into the context of the schools they attended too, which don't necessarily equip the child with knowledge of the real world.
I feel sorry for them, it will take a long time to heal.
The shagging comment was inappropriate, not funny.

I don’t agree. Marlborough is hardly a cloistered environment and B and E went on to get degrees from Goldsmiths in London and Newcastle university.
So they’d have been students at the time, not schoolroom misses.
Of course their sort of upbringing can be crippling, but look at Louise Mountbatten -Windsor for an example of a strong minded grounded and down to earth young woman.

I think that their private family relationships should stay private, and if they choose to stand by their parents they should not be judged for that. Most of us will never know what we would do in those circumstances.

I also think that as their titles are entirely dependent on the position of their parents (well, their father) and they did nothing to achieve them, now that AMW is no longer a prince there is no reason why they should remain princesses. If they lose (or renounce) their titles, they should be left alone by the media, unless they are implicated in scandal in their own right, in which case they should get no special protection.

As members of the wider RF, there is no reason why they shouldn't be invited to weddings, funerals etc, but as family members, not as working royals.

I agree with the OP.

They had known Epstein since childhood, and I very much doubt if their parents had told them anything about their dubious dealing with him. I think they were unaware, and I don’t condemn them for their parents actions. There is nothing to suggest that either of them had an independent relationship with him as far as I’ve seen.

True Maw, I take your point. Louise MB, (22 years), has grown and grown in poise and confidence. I believe she was a day pupil, not a boarder, (I might be wrong), so probably had a better life balance, and acquired everyday skills outside the stuffy school gates.

I remember watching an interview with E & B when they were at Marlborough. All very staged, very scripted, I think Fergie even sat with them and butted in. They were hardly allowed to breathe or offer their own opinions.

I agree they should be left alone by the media, but even GN has to have its two penn’orth of say in what they think about them. So it’s unlikely the wider media will give up.

I think it's a lot to do with how anyone is raised and that includes those from the royal family. Lets not forget how Andrew insisted on having private detectives for B&E. I can't help contrasting those two with Lady Louise Windsor, who allegedly got a minimum wage job at a local garden centre, whilst she was doing A levels (good for her) and was recently photographed, presumably coming home from university sitting on the floor of a very crowded train.

I think it's fair to say that because the Princesses, and that was a mistake conferring the Princess title on them in the first place, have been massively cossetted throughout their lives they have very little touch with reality. That came across in a couple of interviews I read with them, one where they stated they were "just a couple of ordinary hard working girls" no you're not! and one of them had dyslexia at school and she viewed it along the lines of some sort of blessing in disguise, I think Camilla Long in The ST, who admittedly is no royalist, wrote rather scornfully, maybe if she'd had attended a school in the cash strapped state sector she might have a different pov on that. They've been parented by a couple of ridiculously entitled profligate free loaders, so of course, like anyone else they've been shaped by an over -indulged upbringing I've actually got a friend who cossetted her child in the most ridiculous way, driving her to school until she was 18, because somewhere along the line that daughter deemed getting on buses was beneath her, my children and their peer group were negotiating the way round parts of Greater and inner London from about 12ish on buses. I just think bringing offspring up to believe they're ultra special hinders development in becoming their own person. I can quite believe B&E because of the gilded cage and their privileged but controlled lifestyle wouldn't have the nous and independent thought that possibly many of their contemporaries would have at their age and just accepted the circumstances they found themselves in when wheeled out by their parents.