Eugenie and Beatrice

Queen to help pay for £12m Prince Andrew settlement. Duke of York reaches deal in sex abuse case but makes no apology to accuser Virginia Giuffre

The headline in the Telegrsph in 2022. The amount paid by the Queen was published in every newspaper as soon as the matter was agreed. It’s long been known. Also known was that all the senior royals were briefed about Andrew’s associations and nefarious behaviour. They tried to keep it under wraps but clearly failed to as the press kept dripping feeding it. The Harry and Meghan side show was undoubtedly a welcome distraction from Andrew.
As soon as the Epstein files were released the royals couldn’t work fast enough to remove Andrew’s title and put physical distance between him and them - it’s clear the worst is yet to come. The FBI were involved and they could certainly have briefed the British counterparts and they in turn, briefed the royals. The royals are fighting for their own positions and credibility now - as they have certainly lost any moral high ground.
I read today one of the royal protection officers is telling ‘all’ about how they were ‘forced’ to sneak in girls to Andrew’s home - let’s see just how far our police and palace security have been bought off (or pressured) to keep quiet.

I think it’s safe to assume that the RF had access to Andrew’s employed Royal protection officers back in 2019 before VG launched her civil claim. This they had access to get the facts of where andrew actually was on the night of VG’s claimed sexual trafficking with Andrew- and access to verification whether he was in Woking as he claimed in his panorama interview in 2919. The RF could also access those security officers to ask whether Andrew had in fact asked them to “dig up dirt on VG” passed her social security detail to them.

It’s clear Andrew lied in his panorama interview that he would assist in any US requests regarding Epstein as he has consistently refused all US attempts to engage.

To assume ? Without proof ?.no

Employer's by definition have access to ask their employees questions about their employment activities and whereabouts during any paid employment. We can't know that the RF actually asked these questions of Andrew's royal protection officers - if not why not? Perhaps they weren't interested or didn't want to know the answers....

The RF did know, as does the rest of the world, that Andrew lied 2019 interview that he was willing to assist the US authorities as he claimed as he immediately, subsequently, and ever since has continued to refuse to do so. You might think the RF would be keen to know what else he may have been lying about by asking questions of his royal protection officers- but maybe not.

LemonJam correct.
The alleged visit to pizza express in Woking would have had royal protection officers in tow. Likewise his many visits to Epstein. One such officer is now talking to the press about Andrew instructing them not to ‘record ‘ the details of the women who visited him at the palace.
Utterly clear the royal knew for years - before the £12 million was paid. The only reason it is becoming a ‘royal concern’ raised publicly is because William is afraid of losing his position and lifestyle. The royals list the moral high ground on this years ago. Harry and Meghan have been useful scapegoats to distract the press.

You are making assumptions again, naturally. You have no idea whether William knew anything at all. Let’s just stick to the facts.

Casdon

You are making assumptions again, naturally. You have no idea whether William knew anything at all. Let’s just stick to the facts.

That would spoil the fun for so many on here.

Yes, we are feeding a need ?

StoneofDestiny

LemonJam correct.
The alleged visit to pizza express in Woking would have had royal protection officers in tow. Likewise his many visits to Epstein. One such officer is now talking to the press about Andrew instructing them not to ‘record ‘ the details of the women who visited him at the palace.
Utterly clear the royal knew for years - before the £12 million was paid. The only reason it is becoming a ‘royal concern’ raised publicly is because William is afraid of losing his position and lifestyle. The royals list the moral high ground on this years ago. Harry and Meghan have been useful scapegoats to distract the press.

I got the impression that AMW dropped his daughter off at Pizza Express, rather than that he attended the ‘party’, so, even if he did, still time for shenanigans afterwards, with protection officers only able to confirm that he was there for a short time.
I haven’t seen the protection officer’s statement, but if it’s the fellow who’s been on Australian telly, I’d say maybe his fraud conviction may make him less than reliable.
My other question would be exactly why ( and how) would William ‘lose his position and lifestyle’? Please explain how that would happen.
Of course Andrew is a despicable character, but surely his actions wouldn’t constitute a threat to William? Anyway, I think there may well be more to come out about AMW, but suspect it could be to do with his financial doings, rather than his sexual proclivities.

Yes, the former royal protection officer served a prison sentence for a fraud offence.

Anniebach, my interest in AMW-Epstein-trade secrets is based on safeguarding and honesty in public life and the way so many powerful men’s behaviour is at odds with our hope and expectations.

Yes Daddima. a Paul Page, ex security officer at Buckingham Palace served 3 years, he is and has given many stories

Iam yes I understand your concerns

If we can be told that Fergie was a breath of fresh air, Andrew was a brave pilot and E and B are juggling children and a career, what else can we be told and swallow?

Did nobody think it odd that a steady stream of young girls appeared?
How could Fergie be in debt? It's unbelievable what's coming out.
We are to admire Catherine or Sophie because they wear the same coat more than once, it's mindblowing really.

🤣🤣🤣
But really sixandahalf, what else would we talk about with such enthusiasm, if not things like that?

We can assume this is true ? ‘ William has never forgiven B & E for the hurt they caused Catherine on her wedding day’, the hat B wore at the wedding! ! ! !

sixandahalf

If we can be told that Fergie was a breath of fresh air, Andrew was a brave pilot and E and B are juggling children and a career, what else can we be told and swallow?

Did nobody think it odd that a steady stream of young girls appeared?
How could Fergie be in debt? It's unbelievable what's coming out.
We are to admire Catherine or Sophie because they wear the same coat more than once, it's mindblowing really.

Andrew was a brave pilot
He was, I'll give him that.

Unless you know otherwise from someone who served in the Falklands with him, which I somehow doubt.

How could Fergie be in debt?
Remember Viv Nicholson? "I'm going to spend, spend, spend"?
Viv's spending pales in comparison

You are making assumptions again, naturally. You have no idea whether William knew anything at all. Let’s just stick to the facts

Well - his PA is clearly working overtime to tell us all now he did know and worked hard to distance himself from it all and told his dad he should ‘banish him’. (As one does in the Middle Ages’.
It’s crystal clear Willy want to
Preserve is position and that ‘justice for the victims’ was and currently does, come very low on the priority list for the Royals.
Look back at the timescales of the events - very clear when the royals knew and clear how many opportunities to expose their perverted family member were avoided in favour of ‘let’s smother the story’.
You are as privy to ‘the facts’ as I am - but it is clearly easy enough to join the dots of the material that has been reduced, the implication of paying £12 million to Ms Guffre and the sudden panic the monarchy are now in and the sudden need to say ‘think of the victims’. That they didn’t say that years ago says it all. (Of course, unless you are blindly deferential to Royals)

Are you addressing me StoneofDestiny

I assume not but needed to ask as your post follows mine.

StoneofDestiny

Do you support the SNP?
Just asking.

No - responding to Casdon whom I quoted.

Oh OK, I didnt realise it was a quote.

StoneofDestiny

No - responding to Casdon whom I quoted.

When your quoting it is generally understood that you use italics
It also helps if you use the members name.

Allira
A curious question. No idea why you have asked or how it would advance the discussion.