Trump has not 'stabilised' the Middle East though, has he?
A drop in the ocean in the great schemes of things....but replicated by how many more
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Why does Trump give so much support to Netanyahu and Israel
(222 Posts)First of all, this is not an anti-semitic post, I have no issues with the Jewish faith or with the people of Israel, I do , however, have huge issues with Netanyahu and his current government. Below is taken from today's Washington Post and outlines what Trump has agreed to during his first term and to date in his second term. IMO, the war being conducted in Iran ATM is basically to Netanyahu's and Israel's benefit, not really to the benefit of the US. So why does Trump act as he does? Surely it's not just to appease American Jews as it is alienating far more American voters?
"Through five years in the White House, Trump answered some of their biggest prayers. He moved the American Embassy to Jerusalem, recognized Israeli sovereignty over the Golan Heights and ripped up the Iran nuclear deal. U.N. funding for Palestinian refugees was gutted. Jewish settlers in the West Bank, once condemned by Washington, are now getting their own U.S. passport office."
The main reason is money, money, money because this buys you power, power, power and then you get to buy the land, land, land.
Greenland didn't bite, Venezuela just gave in so now he's diverting attention with a war he thought he could win with Israeli help.
I hear Cuba will be next- but Trump has bitten off more than he can chew here so I doubt he'll get the results he wants with Iran.
I am not fan of Netenyahu or his wicked tactics, but giving him the blame for all this let's Trump off the hook in a way he just doesn't deserve.
We obviously look at different polls David.
His popularity is tanking.
When a mega MAGA mouth like Marjorie Taylor Greene keeps shouting about 'It's Israel first not America first. He lied', people listen.
David I feel you are in another room listening to a very different summary of what has happened historically in the ME and what is happening now.
That isn’t to say that I think you are wrong but I really don’t think you are right either. There are far too many nuances in the ME, it really isn’t as black and white as you paint it to be.
David49 said "Arabs need to stop attacking Israel" A bit one sided view as Israel has been and still is attacking Arabs.
Agree with you David
AGAA4
David49 said "Arabs need to stop attacking Israel" A bit one sided view as Israel has been and still is attacking Arabs.
Equally, there have been a number of things which Israel should have stopped doing. Like stealing Arab land on the West Bank...
It really does work in both directions.
MaizieD
AGAA4
David49 said "Arabs need to stop attacking Israel" A bit one sided view as Israel has been and still is attacking Arabs.
Equally, there have been a number of things which Israel should have stopped doing. Like stealing Arab land on the West Bank...
It really does work in both directions.
Yes Maizie the future for Israel has to be different, thats not going to happen until extremism stops.
Fallingstar
David I feel you are in another room listening to a very different summary of what has happened historically in the ME and what is happening now.
That isn’t to say that I think you are wrong but I really don’t think you are right either. There are far too many nuances in the ME, it really isn’t as black and white as you paint it to be.
Yes many nuances as you put it, not only in the ME, Sub Saharan Africa, Pakistani and other Islamic states have extremist problems. Removing Iran of the source of not only sponsorship but inspiration for extremism is the obvious first action. Then moderate governments will find it much easier to stop terrorism
Some people might feel that the emerging Christian Nationalism in the USA is also a form of extremism.
Maremia
Trump has not 'stabilised' the Middle East though, has he?
Trump hasn’t “stabilised” anything, despite his claims! Not the US economy, nor the war in Gaza, the war in Ukraine or now this new war.
He claims he’s not a “war monger”, in my view this is exactly what he is!
A greedy, power grabbing, money motivated war-monger.
Iran was nothing to do with him nor us!
I agree Cossy. Iran was no threat to the US this has been proved and the antagonism between Iran and Israel has rattled on for decades with both sides as bad as each other. Nor can nuclear weapons be an immediate threat if the US say they destroyed any nuclear capability last year and now I think we know it isn’t about freeing the Iranian people.
There was no need for this war but Netanyahu pushed for it to save his own political skin.
And Trump joined in to save his own political skin.
Fallingstar
I agree Cossy. Iran was no threat to the US this has been proved and the antagonism between Iran and Israel has rattled on for decades with both sides as bad as each other. Nor can nuclear weapons be an immediate threat if the US say they destroyed any nuclear capability last year and now I think we know it isn’t about freeing the Iranian people.
There was no need for this war but Netanyahu pushed for it to save his own political skin.
If he is successful it will probably save Trumps skin too
What people also seem to forget is the antipathy towards the US of many Iranians because they replaced a democratically elected Prime Minister with the Shah, helped by the UK of course! This led to decades of poor government and the eventual replacement of the Shah with Khomeini as Supreme leader. The US has a very bad record in trying to effect regime change in the Middle East, Trump should have kept his nose out of it but of course, there's money to be made for the chosen few whilst populations world wide pay the price for his meddling.
foxie48
What people also seem to forget is the antipathy towards the US of many Iranians because they replaced a democratically elected Prime Minister with the Shah, helped by the UK of course! This led to decades of poor government and the eventual replacement of the Shah with Khomeini as Supreme leader. The US has a very bad record in trying to effect regime change in the Middle East, Trump should have kept his nose out of it but of course, there's money to be made for the chosen few whilst populations world wide pay the price for his meddling.
Maybe the Shah wasn't good decades ago but has Islamic rule helped the population or the economy.
At some stage extremism has got to stop, then everyone benefits.
Extremism is fed by western powers attacking Middle Eastern countries
Yes it’s time for Iran to stop attacking Israel. There’s no way Israel will accept the current status quo. Another 100 years like this? No thanks.
foxie48
You can never eradicate terrorist organisations with bombs and guns, you eradicate them by removing the reasons that people support them. Israel went into Lebanon for the third time in 2006, destroyed infrastructure and killed many Lebanese people but it failed to suppress Hezbollah, it just went underground and regrouped!
I completely agree
So, the previous regime change by Western powers led to the current repressive Government in Iran.
And now the USA is having another go, despite the fact that there was no imminent threat to them.
No discussion with Congress.
No discussion with the UN.
An illegal, ongoing, destructive war.
ronib
Yes it’s time for Iran to stop attacking Israel. There’s no way Israel will accept the current status quo. Another 100 years like this? No thanks.
Don’t you think it’s time both countries stopped attacking each other and in the case of Israel, Gaza?
Terrorism can NEVER be supported, but sometimes it can be understood. One man’s terrorist can be another man’s freedom fighter.
Personally, I’m not an advocate of war, killing or violence, unless as a direct result of real self defence.
What Hamas did was utterly appalling, but Netanyahu is every bit as bad (imo).
In the middle of all these wars are many innocent citizens, Israelis, Iranians, Russians, Ukrainians, Palestinians, and many many others, their leaders appear to think that’s is OK to bomb the crap out of anyone in the name of “peace” or “defence”. It utterly sickens me.
What sickens me even more Cossy is that there is no end in sight to this evil madness and loss of life.
ronib
What sickens me even more Cossy is that there is no end in sight to this evil madness and loss of life.
No. And of course the impact of this will lead to people in this country being tipped beneath the poverty line. The cost of living will go up again, interest rates will go down more slowly, so families will be stuck in a downward spiral, unable to buy a home or afford the basics they need. Small businesses will not be able to pay their way, unemployment will go up. So pretty soon anyone bigging up this war will be drowned out by those suffering as a result. And that won’t just be in the UK but in Europe and the US.
Smileless2012
I've no idea foxie but I seriously doubt it's to appease American Jews. He's clearly doing whatever Netanyahu wants and is too stupid to see that once again he's being played, just like Putin's played him.
Birds of a feather flock together.
Trump is typical of that hopeless inadequate in the playground who hangs around the Big Boys desperate to do their dirty work / curry favour so he can join the gang.
Sooner or later, the Big |Boys will get rid of the loser.
Trump derangement syndrome having its day ….
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