Now we know for sure we should not be in the Iran war.

The paint was thrown over a building that has houses a company that has some links to an Israeli arms firm. Arrests have been made.

Oreo 13.43 : "It’s enough to hit Iran hard and achieve the goals they are already getting, what comes after is up to the people in Iran. Regime change was never the main aim.Degrading their military capabilities was".

Maremia 13.45: "So, Trump was lying about the Regime change? Maybe his dementia getting him confused?"

Te war began in the midst of negotiations. with joint airstrikes by the US and Israel against miltatry and government sites and the Ayatollah and other Iranian officials killed. Trump and other US officials offer varying and shifting objectives for their attack to (all available on Wikipedia with evidence links for quotes) :
1) ward off an imminent Iranian threat-no evidence provided- rejected by Iran
2) Destroy Iran's missiles and military capabilities
3) prevent Iran from ever having a nuclear weapon
4) secure its natural resources
5) to achieve regime change

Oreo may be right and the priority was to degrade Iran's military capabilities but regime change was "never the main aim". Maybe Oreo has had sight of the US/Israel plan that sets that key objective and priority. Maybe Trump and other US officials had not read/had sight of that plan when they went on public record stating the above varying and shifting objectives and priorities. You could also be right Maremia - Trump is increasingly showing signs of memory loss!

What is clear that the strike happened on 28 February and the aftermath of the strike has been ongoing since. When asked when the operations would end, in the past 24 hours, Trump stated " I don't know, it depends. Wrapping it up in my mind, nobody else's." What comes next, according to Trump, at least in his mind, and he is mulling it over- alone.

Cossy

Oreo

It’s just an old quote that’s being trotted out and isn’t at all apt.
It wouldn’t have been apt in WW2 and it isn’t now.Iran is an incredibly dangerous country to both, Israel, the whole region and the West.
They absolutely need to be curbed right now.

You feel the moves made to “curb them” by Trump and Netanyahu are the right ones?

There are many dangerous countries across the world, many awful regimes where citizens are not safe and secure, do you propose that Trump invades them all?

I think it’s naive, at best, to think Trump is helping the situation.

There certainly are many other countries who keep people in poverty or fear, but they aren’t bankrolling terror groups to do their bidding like Iran is.
If Iran didn’t provide weapons and provide money, hamas, hezbollah and all the very many other groups could only exist in a very small way.

Trump says one thing one minute and another the next, that’s well known.
Israel and the US, and the West would be happy with a regime change naturally, to a moderate government but it could never be a guaranteed outcome.Whereas degrading their military and nuclear hopes could be.Likewise assassinating a lot of the top dogs.That’s obviously what they have gone for.

Luckygirl3

Well he would wouldn't he? He has to justify his past.

Yes.

He would say thst, wouldn't he!
Another warmongerer.

Good to know you are clear and sure what Trump's priority goals are Oreo even though Trump "says one thing one minute and another the next".

We, the US electorate and Leaders around the world will muddle through as best we can meanwhile. After all none of us can expect clarity and statesmanship from Trump- Churchill or Roosevelt he is not 😅

Unfortunately they seem to have knocked out the Leaders who were willing to use diplomacy. Good plan...not.

It’s obvious LemonJam that’s all.

Maremia

Unfortunately they seem to have knocked out the Leaders who were willing to use diplomacy. Good plan...not.

They were never going to agree to anything, just string out talks for as long as possible then walk away from the table, just like their friend Putin does.

Now this could just be 'chatter',

'Israel's National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir has made a direct appeal to the United Nations and the International Community, urging immediate action to stop Iran's aggressive missile attacks raining down on Israeli territory.'

Not sure what this is about, if everything is going 'well'.

Oreo 14.33 what's obvious?

Maremia Unbelievable! Stop bombing us while we are destroying you. This from the convicted criminal Ben-Gvir.

The post goes on to explain that Iran has a new weapon that seems to be getting through the Dome defence. It seems to be able to split into 80 different bombs.
Not great for innocent Israelis.

By chance, I heard this BBC podcast which is looking at the Iraq war. It is a very shocking expose of American plans to invade Iraq well before 9/11 and sounds all too familiar to the present day. Well presented with interviews with key players and the evidence. I don't know how Americans can live with themselves.
www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/brand/m001k0ch

"Essential listening..." Why the US and UK went to war in Iraq and its legacy. The BBC's Security correspondent Gordon Corera speaks to those at the heart of the decision-making."

Blair can see no fault in himself. Even at the tribunal, when he had to explain his actions, he still seemed to think they had no right to question him. He made a mistake.....many people lost their lives because of him. He has no business trying to advise others.

'walk away from the table'
Trump not only walked away from the table, he tore up the Treaty that Iran had signed and was adhering too.
That's who walks away.

Whatever is obvious to Oreo 14.33 is not so obvious to others around the world. A selection of news headlines:

1) The Guardian 27 Feb "Trump is marching towards war with Iran. He hasn't bothered to make clear why"
2) The I newspaper 2 hours ago: "Trump is hopelessly confused by his own war
3) 3 hours ago- Daily mirror; "Trump said war was nearly over', , Trump now "threatens to unleash Death, Fire and Fury upon Iran as oil price fears grow".
4) Byline Times "The justification for War against Iran Has Changed From Day to Day, with No Clear End Goal or Exit Strategy".
5) BBC 'Trump's war on Iran: Shifting stories and unanswered questions".
6) Independent Monday 2 March "Trump gives conflicting goals for Iran to reporters as he warned 'the big one is coming soon' - "Trump gives vague and inconsistent information to reporters from various news outlets about the ultimate goal of the military strikes". Trump said they had "projected" 4-5 weeks but then added "we have capability to go far longer than that..." In a 40 minute press conference Trump refuted allegations the attacks were part of an effort to force regime change inciting they were "finishing a war" rather than starting another.
7) Los Angeles Times "What is Trumps' true objective in the Iran War? "
8) Washington Week PBS " Trump's rationale and objectives for Iran war remain unclear"
9) TRT World Now- 'what is the Trump administration's objective in the Iran conflict?'
10) Al Jazeera "What is Trump's end game in Iran as the US- Israel war escalates?"
11) Iran:US and Israel's Unclear War Aims Leave World Guessing".
12) Reuters " Trump's seeks to justify Iran War, but stated objectives shift."
13) The Globe and Mail "When it comes to Iran war, Trump has no clear goal or answers".
14) Los Angeles Times " What is Trump's true objective in the Iran War?"
15) The Times "What is Trump's plan for Iran? How his objectives keep changing".

Thanks LemonJam. It's clear to everyone that Trump has no plan for what's next.

Is it true that the UK aircraft carrier is no longer going into the war zone?

I hope Trump's Minders will be held to account.

What an awful thing to happen to your DD's neighbour AGA.

Netanyahu et al just don't seem to understand or care about the backlash some Jews have been faced with due to Gaza and now the illegal war against Iran, because some are unable/unwilling to separate the people of Israel from the Israeli state.

Thank you for your post @ 15.08 Lemonjam. Trump doesn't appear to know what his next plan is; I wonder if Netanyahu does.

There appears to be conflicting reports on the aircraft carrier Maremia.

Reuters

There are reports that Israel has used white phosphorous in Lebanon.

A foul war crime.

One more reason not to associate ourselves to this totally illegal war.

Thanks Smileless. Could have been just Facebook chatter.

OMG chemical war fare

What?? Why?? How?? When???
The Iran war is one big question mark as you point out LemonJam.
When speaking recently Trump said Iran should have been sorted out a long time ago, as if it is just a creaking gate that needs its hinges oiling. Without clarifying just what he and Netanyahu are sorting out. The regime is still there, various military sites have taken a hit but then so have innocent civilians, and so has a major oil refinery resulting in toxic smoke affecting everyone in Tehran and the surrounding area.
Meanwhile Iran is still firing on other countries in the region including Israel with missiles that apparently can penetrate the dome of iron, and the strait of Hormuz is not letting any oil supplies through so we can all expect a cost of living crisis.
However, Trump says he has won but not won enough, by which the maniac probably means he hasn’t won at all.
The biggest mistake he made was thinking this would be like Venezuela, and Netanyahu wasn’t about to say otherwise.
What an unholy bloody mess.