Now we know for sure we should not be in the Iran war.

Iran have warned Trump to take care as he could be eliminated.
Trump will be making sure he is well protected. Has been shown to be a cowardly man.

Smileless2012

OMG chemical war fare

Oh no no no.

Well what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander AGA.

Whitewavemark2

Tony Blair has said that the U.K. should have gone into the war with the USA on day 1.

Your thread title is almost exactly the same as my own reaction when I heard this news!

Oreo

It’s obvious LemonJam that’s all.

Tbh, •Oreo•, I’m just not sure it is obvious to many of us.

Trump has said so many things, done so many things, he is a player but worse still he’s being played.

Why on earth would anything about Trump be “obvious” ditto action in Iran. Iran certainly are not the only country “bank rolling” terrorists.

This is a war most of the world neither wants nor needs.

It’s created yet more instability in so many ways, fiscal, emotional, economic.

We (as humans) have already murdered countless people and allowed others to perish in the name of “war”.

On a personal level, all these situations sicken me, from Afghanistan, where we can pulled out suddenly following the Americans, leaving many of them, especially women, at the mercy of the Taliban, then “excused” all the deaths in Gaza, then forcing those left living into starvation, then there’s Ukraine, an invasion that Putin thought would last 5 minutes and then Trump trying to “buy” Greenland and Canada, now this!

Why can’t you see this is all madness and innocent citizens will die, along with the “bad” people.

Sorry, but it’s all wrong!

Why can’t you see my point of view Cossy 🧐
Not really a question but don’t expect me to agree with you as I don’t expect you to agree with me.
I support Israel and the US to do what needs to be done in both Iran and Lebanon.

If it's found to be true, will you support Israels use of white phosphorous in Lebanon Oreo?

It's an illegal war. We have international laws for a reason and it's to stop big powerful countries bullying smaller less powerful ones. We may hate the regime in Iran but if we accept the US and Israel bombing Iran and Lebanon, what will we do when China invades Taiwan or the US invades Greenland? Starmer was absolutely right not to throw us into a war with the US, it was neither weakness nor indecisiveness, it was statesmanship, an understanding of International Law and why it is important.

Oreo

Why can’t you see my point of view Cossy 🧐
Not really a question but don’t expect me to agree with you as I don’t expect you to agree with me.
I support Israel and the US to do what needs to be done in both Iran and Lebanon.

Well, in the spirit of GransNet, I respectably agree to disagree with you.

TB is a war criminal who got away with it. He should disappear in a puff of smoke. Dreadful duplicitous man.

Agreed nanna8!

'what needs to be done' what for example?
Genocide?
Illegal war?
Chemical weapons?
Is there anything you would baulk at?
Anything?

Are those in the Labour and Conservative parties who supported TB and the 412 in the House of Commons who voted in favour (127 voted against) also war criminals, or is it only TB?

I find it interesting that Blair is seen by some as dishonest and duplicitious by joining with the US to attack Iraq, yet he took many steps to try to justify it. ie Key actions taken to justify the war included:
The "September Dossier": Published in 2002
Presenting an "Imminent Threat":
Seeking UN Authority:
Relying on Intelligence:
Focusing on Regime Change:
Yet Starmer is derided as weak and cowardly because he did not give immediate permission for the US to use UK bases in this latest American war even though the war is clearly illegal and not justified by evidence of imminent danger to the US. It seems Labour PMs are damned if they do and damned if they don't!