Now we know for sure we should not be in the Iran war.

If I thought that was meaningless Oreo I wouldn't have posted it.

Soundbites are simply truths in precis.

Trump has made a big mistake joining Israel's war.

I agree with your quote Smileless.

Too many fools engaging in and cheering on this senseless war.

Trump is suggesting that he is going to wrap the action up.

What on earth has he achieved!!

What about Netanyahu?

It’s just an old quote that’s being trotted out and isn’t at all apt.
It wouldn’t have been apt in WW2 and it isn’t now.Iran is an incredibly dangerous country to both, Israel, the whole region and the West.
They absolutely need to be curbed right now.

What on earth has he achieved making the world an even more unstable and dangerous place WW to feed his ego.

He’s put them back in their box for a good while is what has been achieved.Thankfully.

This isn't WW2 Oreo, if it were America would have waited at least a year before joining in and not done so until one of its bases was attacked.

fancythat

I presume a lot of posters on this thread originally voted for TB. I did.

I am curious to know at what point you went away from him.

So did I, twice . His first term was full of hope and achievement so I voted for him again in 2001. Never again.

He lost the plot over Afghanistan. By Iraq, I was protesting against him.

Not in my name, Bliar.

My stance exactly, butterandjam.

My son.has just texted me from.Manchester. An Israeli building has been covered in red paint. Police everywhere
My DDs next door neighbour has had JEW written across his driveway.
She is very upset and helped him clean it.
This has to be a backlash against this war.

Well yes people shouting nazis at the wrong people. Same old same old.

Galaxy

Well yes people shouting nazis at the wrong people. Same old same old.

Isn’t it just.
There are Muslims in the UK who support the Ayatollah’s regime in Iran ( quite why they are here then I can’t imagine) and also those who support any Muslims in the world no matter who and what they do, and whose default position is to hate and target Jews.The Police need to get on this type of thing right away.

Which plan is working well? Trump had a plan?

Was the plan to have billions of dollars of destruction, in Arab states?
To break the trust the Arab states had, that the USA would protect them, if they provided bases?
To topple the Regime?
To free the Iranian women?
To cripple the flow of oil?
Yes, that part is working well for Russia. I give you that.
For Netanyahu, now under threat of arrest in the five Nordic nations?

fancythat

I presume a lot of posters on this thread originally voted for TB. I did.

I am curious to know at what point you went away from him.

I was never a fan of ‘New’ Labour, and certainly not a Blair fan from the beginning. However, I did vote for them initially.

I then voted Green (only time I’ve done so), and turned away from Blair completely when he followed America, like a lap dog, into an illegal war.

Yes Maremia 12.56- exactly what is the plan? What are Trump's goals, the measures of success, the timescales and how are risks being minimised and mitigated? If anyone knows- pray do tell!

Potential goals:
1)Trump can instigate military action to destroy paramilitary forces and command structures to reduce Iran's military power.
2)US/Israel can attempt to destroy missile facilities and damage nuclear sites. Trump did this June 2025 and boasted he "obliterated" nuclear sites. So Iran has them up and running again? Rinse/repeat/rinse/repeat.
3) US/Israel can seek to force regime change/collapse- with no guarantee/clarity what will follow.
4) US/Israel can seek to reduce Iran's regional influence

Risks:
1) Potential chaos- instead of a new stable Iran government, the collapse could result in power vacuum, civil war and/or humanitarian and refugee crisis. Ayaltollah was assassinated- son takes the helm yet untested. Regime may become harsher and lead to greater upheaval.
2) Retaliation- Iran has vowed to retaliate potentially causing damage to US war ships, laying mines in the gulf and endangering regional allies- could involve US military casualties and domestic push back against war
3) High costs- conflict threatens/impacts on global energy security, global energy costs and likely impact on oil prices- has already been happening. Trump recently on speed dial to media outlets trying to reassure them the war in nearly over.

Trump's messages shape shift- he accuses Starmer 2 days ago of "seeking to Jon the war after we've already won". Yesterday he tells reporters " I have a plan for everything. You'll be very happy...the war is complete, pretty much ...we're far ahead of schedule" Asked whteher the operation would end soon therefore: ' I don't know, it depends. Wrapping it up in my mind, nobody else's. Just days ago Trump said he would not stop the war until Iran's "unconditional surrender."

Smileless your quote "Who is the biggest fool? The fool that leads or the fool that follows" resonates in current circumstances. Trump is the fool leading, persuaded, prodded, aided and abetted by Netanyahu, with no stated clearly thought out plan. Anyone who blindly follows, at Trump's bidding, without consideration, without question, without sight of a clearly thought out plan ( just as Starmer has stated) in my view would also be foolish.

It’s BN leading, not Trump btw.

It’s enough to hit Iran hard and achieve the goals they are already getting, what comes after is up to the people in Iran.
Regime change was never the main aim.Degrading their military capabilities was.

Blair was the man who did not believe the inspectors who were sent in to find "weapons of mass destruction". to my knowledge they were never found . So why would you ever believe that man?

So, Trump was lying about the Regime change?
Maybe his dementia getting him confused?

Maremia

So, Trump was lying about the Regime change?
Maybe his dementia getting him confused?

I think he was hopeful, but that’s all.

AGAA4

My son.has just texted me from.Manchester. An Israeli building has been covered in red paint. Police everywhere
My DDs next door neighbour has had JEW written across his driveway.
She is very upset and helped him clean it.
This has to be a backlash against this war.

That is dreadful, and in Manchester again.
There has to be something done to reassure the Jewish community there.
And of course it is a backlash, targeting innocent people with hate crimes, Trump and Netanyahu throw grenades with impunity then stand back and let everyone else deal with the blast.
It sickens me.

Oreo

It’s just an old quote that’s being trotted out and isn’t at all apt.
It wouldn’t have been apt in WW2 and it isn’t now.Iran is an incredibly dangerous country to both, Israel, the whole region and the West.
They absolutely need to be curbed right now.

You feel the moves made to “curb them” by Trump and Netanyahu are the right ones?

There are many dangerous countries across the world, many awful regimes where citizens are not safe and secure, do you propose that Trump invades them all?

I think it’s naive, at best, to think Trump is helping the situation.