Matt Goodwin

If MG's views are so popular why does he have to take money from a Hungarian think tank supportive of Orban and funded with Russian money? Seems to me he's doing Putin's work stirring division and hatred in the UK

Cossy

My daughter is a teacher, as were many of our family, not myself, I’m retired though and I very much “live in the real world”, to infer any one demographic here as not living in the “real world” is simply rude, imo.

Its nit meant to be rude, and you come across in your posts as combative anyway. Most teachers I have met are to the left leaning, .guardian readers who are idealistic, not meant to be rude in any way.

Vintagewhine

If MG's views are so popular why does he have to take money from a Hungarian think tank supportive of Orban and funded with Russian money? Seems to me he's doing Putin's work stirring division and hatred in the UK

It will be interesting to see how well the book sells.

Chocolatelovinggran

I'm a retired teacher, Labour voter who meets friends in pubs. What part of " not the real world" do I need to address, Meandrogrog?

Yes as I say teachers are quite often Labour voters, do you read the Guardian too? I really do not expect you to agree with me!

Meandrogrog

Cossy

My daughter is a teacher, as were many of our family, not myself, I’m retired though and I very much “live in the real world”, to infer any one demographic here as not living in the “real world” is simply rude, imo.

Its nit meant to be rude, and you come across in your posts as combative anyway. Most teachers I have met are to the left leaning, .guardian readers who are idealistic, not meant to be rude in any way.

I dread to think what you're like when you MEAN to be rude .

“A searing examination of Britain's political crisis and the growing chasm between Westminster and the people it governs.“

I find this quote, along with one around “mass immigration” particularly interesting.

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“The UK has experienced broadly similar levels of migration compared to other high-income countries, on average over the past few decades

Migration levels fluctuate from year to year, but over long periods, a useful measure of how much immigration a country has experienced is the size of the foreign-born population as a percentage of the population. Countries with high levels of net migration—defined as people immigrating minus those emigrating—develop larger foreign-born or migrant populations over the long run.

According to Census data from 2021/22, the UK’s foreign-born population was 16%. However, OECD data is more informative for the purpose of international comparison since they report more comparable data for a range of countries. The OECD reports that 15% of the UK’s population was foreign-born in 2023, less than the Census figure, because the data source used – the Annual Population Survey – underestimates the migrant population due to survey non-response.

The OECD estimates suggested a similar foreign-born share as in high-income countries such as France and the United States (Figure 1). The UK had a smaller foreign-born population than Australia, Canada, and New Zealand. The foreign-born population in Australia, for example, was roughly double that of the UK as a share of the population. By contrast, the UK had a higher share of foreign-born people in the population compared to Italy, Portugal, and most Eastern European countries, and a much higher share than Japan.”

Sources national census and University of Oxford.

As for the paragraph relating to the “growing chasm between Westminster and those its governs”, look back at our history, you really don’t have to too far back to realise that we have far more “normal” people and females in parliament, on all sides, than we would have had even 50 years ago, people who actually had jobs prior to entering politics and who live “real lives”.

This book is designed to cause division, stir up racial hatred and it’s no surprise to me that The Daily Mail are publishing parts of it, it’s right up their alley!

I say again, it’s not for me, thank you

Matt Goodwin says it like it is

Like Farage and Trump?

Does he put forward any ideas on how to improve things please?

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Did you wonder why Farage ran Goodwin for Gorton & Denton? Goodwin had no interest in being a constituency MP. He had to be shamed into making an appearance at the hustings. Once he lost the by-election, we had all the trumped up nonsense about family voting. Bad loser indeed. Had he won, I imagine the people in G& D would have seen him as much as the people in Clacton see Farage ... which is never.

So all a lot of noise to get Goodwin in the public eye to publicise this book. It will no doubt be stuffed with the same fabricated statistics from Reform’s Roger Bates, the ambitiously-called Centre for Migration Control which isn’t a centre at all but just one man. Bates has been working for Farage and Tice for years, paid to pump out lies for them which the Mail, Express, Sun and Telegraph are only to happy to print ... and it’s readers all too eager to believe.

bylinetimes.com/2024/02/15/another-new-anti-immigration-pressure-group-is-launched-from-tufton-street-and-met-with-reams-of-media-coverage/

I believe family voting was actually witnessed? I assume that is why it was highlighted, so not trumped up nonsense.

Matt Goodwin quotes statistics as to the predicted percentage of Muslims to White British in years to come, are you quite content with this eventual outcome! I assume his projections must be based on research.

Meanrogrog having family in NZ I was reading up the other day on how the young are all leaving NZ May have to think that through again 🤣

All those so afraid of immigration don’t forget this whole country has been built by immigrants, mostly coming here in boats, I for one have proud ‘Viking’ genes.
USA another continent built by immigrants

*Meandrogrog

Chocolatelovinggran
I'm a retired teacher, Labour voter who meets friends in pubs. What part of " not the real world" do I need to address, Meandrogrog?
Yes as I say teachers are quite often Labour voters, do you read the Guardian too? I really do not expect you to agree with me!*

Many of us here on Gransnet are actually centralists, we also read many different “papers” online, and in addition use many different sources online to fact check.

I do find you rude, sorry, I’m not being rude, simply honest.

He's stolen the title from Arthur Koestler whose
Suicide of a Nation? An Enquiry into the State of Britain Today was published in 1963.

How can people condemn something they’ve not even read? That seems to me very bigoted and the old argument trotted out it’s racist to avoid serious discussion. I’m not a communist but I did read Mao’s Little Red Book. It gave me a greater understanding of his thoughts and although I disagreed with most some were very apposite. That said I won’t be rushing out to buy his book. I’m sure there will be lots of extracts which I will read and form my opinion on. It’s supposed to be backed up with statistics which I will look at carefully as to their veracity.

Is there a " white vote" and "a Muslim vote"

How bizarre.

BlueBelle

Meanrogrog having family in NZ I was reading up the other day on how the young are all leaving NZ May have to think that through again 🤣

All those so afraid of immigration don’t forget this whole country has been built by immigrants, mostly coming here in boats, I for one have proud ‘Viking’ genes.
USA another continent built by immigrants

I agree, a very long term friend of mine with whom I attended Primary School, emigrated to NZ way back and had her family there.

Gradually each one of her four children moved from NZ to Australia, she and her husband eventually followed them when they both retired.

I do have a friend who lives in Auckland, she has a Greek father and a Mauri mother, she married a Mauri and there’s a huge Greek population in Auckland.

I'm awaiting a response which explains how I do not live " in the real world".

twaddle

Meandrogrog

Cossy

My daughter is a teacher, as were many of our family, not myself, I’m retired though and I very much “live in the real world”, to infer any one demographic here as not living in the “real world” is simply rude, imo.

Its nit meant to be rude, and you come across in your posts as combative anyway. Most teachers I have met are to the left leaning, .guardian readers who are idealistic, not meant to be rude in any way.

I dread to think what you're like when you MEAN to be rude .

Very scary 😱

Matt Goodwin is a very smart cookie. I have seen him many times on TV and he can out argue most people. He has a great memory for facts and figures, dates etc and leaves others unable to get one over on him.

Chocolatelovinggran

I'm awaiting a response which explains how I do not live " in the real world".

You live in Your world, just as I do. Can I suggest you read the article in the Daily Mail today of a woman living in a town where there is a migrant camp. This is a real, lived experience. i would be most interested in how you see this in terms of your real world?

I m very content with how my country looks Meandrogrog
I ve lived long enough to be used to the hatred spewed out to various ethnic populations by racists and I m very far from content with racism
Hopefully one day we will eradicate these racists from our shores perhaps we can swap them and send them off in little
(or big) boats

I m much rather live next door to a Muslim than a racist

Primrose53

Matt Goodwin is a very smart cookie. I have seen him many times on TV and he can out argue most people. He has a great memory for facts and figures, dates etc and leaves others unable to get one over on him.

Thank you for your support in the great pile on!

BlueBelle

I m very content with how my country looks Meandrogrog
I ve lived long enough to be used to the hatred spewed out to various ethnic populations by racists and I m very far from content with racism
Hopefully one day we will eradicate these racists from our shores perhaps we can swap them and send them off in little
(or big) boats

I m much rather live next door to a Muslim than a racist

Its that word again, the one always, always used. Its overused, meaningless, accusatory while being quite untrue.

25Avalon

How can people condemn something they’ve not even read? That seems to me very bigoted and the old argument trotted out it’s racist to avoid serious discussion. I’m not a communist but I did read Mao’s Little Red Book. It gave me a greater understanding of his thoughts and although I disagreed with most some were very apposite. That said I won’t be rushing out to buy his book. I’m sure there will be lots of extracts which I will read and form my opinion on. It’s supposed to be backed up with statistics which I will look at carefully as to their veracity.

I think we’ve mainly said we won’t be buying it or reading it in full.

The issue here is if one is already familiar with an author’s work and their perspective and the subject matter, why on earth would we read a book which, at least on the face of it, is full of rhetoric about immigration and suggesting that our country is doomed, possibly as a direct result of immigrants?

I’m also mindful that some of our dear Gransnetters may themselves be immigrants and I simply won’t condemn them because some author tells me too.

People like Lowe and Farage get far too much media time and I’m afraid I find them both racist to the core.

No one here has EVER, not even once, have stated people crossing the channel either in small boats or lorries is a good thing or that a reasonable and efficient and fair immigration policy shouldn’t be in force.

Democracy Volunteers saw 32 cases of two people in a booth over 17 hours of observing. They reported no data on the age, relationship or ethnicity of the people observed so how does anyone know who they were?

Almost 36,814 valid votes were counted.

Someone’s faith or skin colour doesn’t bother me. Why does it bother you?

It’s that word again, the one always, always used. Its overused, meaningless, accusatory while being quite untrue.

Is it though?

Very few people will actually own up to being a racist, or being discriminating, because it’s not “nice” is it to be labelled in this way.

Discriminating against entire cohorts of people because they are not English white people and blaming them for all the woes in our country is racist.

Meandrogrog

twaddle

This is what the publisher has to say about it:

"A searing examination of Britain's political crisis and the growing chasm between Westminster and the people it governs.

Suicide of a Nation is a story of how Britain, one of the most remarkable countries on earth, is not just in decline but is committing national suicide.

It is a story of how a people are losing their own country. Mass uncontrolled immigration, porous borders, 'two-tier multiculturalism', and a draconian regime of censorship are all contributing to not just the transformation of a country and a people but their very replacement.

Drawing on a huge amount of data, rigorous analysis, and demographic forecasts, Suicide of a Nation pulls back the curtain to show readers how their population, how their country, is now being completely transformed -and in ways they never voted for, nor ever asked for.

Through an unflinching look at reality, a reality the politicians would rather you ignore, Suicide of a Nation asks and then answers a series of uncomfortable but urgent questions.

What is happening to Britain, and why? On current demographic trends, where will the country be at the end of the century, only 74 years from now? Why are millions of people, including their wishes, concerns, and worries, being ignored? Why has the country's political and cultural elite become so utterly disconnected from the rest of the country? What might happen if none of this is addressed? And what must change before it is too late?"

No thanks!

What do you disagree with about any of the above?

I was just thinking that too!