Mr Trump Cant Shut This War Down Part 2

From the end of the last thread

Maremia Mon 30-Mar-26 12:29:54
BBC explaining that Trump may take the island , but then the troops will be sitting targets, and will have supply line problems.
Apparently similar 'traps' occurred in the Vietnam war, but you'd have to be a military history student to know this.

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Trump was never that student.

I agree.
And that is the problem with "learning from history" for me.
In reality, there is not that many people who start wars.
And they either dont listen to others, or choose to do it all anyway.

You would think his military advisors would say, 'Just hang on a minute...'

keepingquiet

You would think his military advisors would say, 'Just hang on a minute...'

So it would seem.

However, I suppose they're "Yes, whatever you wish" types.

keepingquiet

You would think his military advisors would say, 'Just hang on a minute...'

I read somewhere, a few days ago, and meant to look it up again, that some of his advisors are complaining that they do not have enough detail from him about what is going on.

I think the generals are reluctant to engage in Kharg Island. A lot of their people will be killed.
Trump's idea that Iran would be a pushover hasn't come to fruition. He underestimated the enemy. A serious mistake.

I don’t think many people in the administration know what is going on. Trump started this war with Netanyahu on a wing and a prayer imagining it would be another Venezuela. It isn’t. But I believe that due to increasing pressure at home Trump is now trying to come out of this conflict without looking like an idiot. Not easy. He has stated on his social media site that he has been negotiating with a better improved regime, or words to that effect. I very much doubt the regime has changed at all but Trump is saving face by making it sound as if he prompted the regime to change from super nasty to super cuddly.
But I don’t think extricating the US from this will be the victory he was aiming for.
And I doubt Netanyahu will retreat from ongoing conflicts and will continue to expect the US to support them.

Trump has been beautifully played by Netanyahu, just as he was played by Putin.

I caught a tiny part of his latest speech, “….I will take Kharg Island and the oil, some people think this is a stupid idea, but they’re stupid” followed by something along the lines of simply bombing the hell out them all, prompting a chilling response from the Iranians about “feeding them all to the sharks”

For goodness sake, why can’t Trump just keep his mouth shut for an hour or so and his fingers off social media.

These are his soldiers he’s putting into an untenable position and the rest of the western world he’s screwing over!

Frankly Trump is far more of a danger these days than anyone else!

…. In the meantime citizens of Russia, Ukraine, Gaza and Israel continue to suffer whilst their appalling leaders continue their childlike games of warfare!

I can't even imagine what the families of those soldiers who may be forced onto Kharg Island must be feeling.
Iran has said they are 'waiting for them'.
They have laid mines and have missiles in place. Some of those young men will be killed.
What about if Trump leads them in? He's such a brave soul as we know. He should go down with his men.

AGAA4

I can't even imagine what the families of those soldiers who may be forced onto Kharg Island must be feeling.
Iran has said they are 'waiting for them'.
They have laid mines and have missiles in place. Some of those young men will be killed.
What about if Trump leads them in? He's such a brave soul as we know. He should go down with his men.

No way, draft dodging Trump talks the talk but has never walked the walk.

Cossy

Trump has been beautifully played by Netanyahu, just as he was played by Putin.

I caught a tiny part of his latest speech, “….I will take Kharg Island and the oil, some people think this is a stupid idea, but they’re stupid” followed by something along the lines of simply bombing the hell out them all, prompting a chilling response from the Iranians about “feeding them all to the sharks”

For goodness sake, why can’t Trump just keep his mouth shut for an hour or so and his fingers off social media.

These are his soldiers he’s putting into an untenable position and the rest of the western world he’s screwing over!

Frankly Trump is far more of a danger these days than anyone else!

just cos he couldn't have Greenland. I wonder will his kids be fighting?
He is a danger to us all

Cossy

…. In the meantime citizens of Russia, Ukraine, Gaza and Israel continue to suffer whilst their appalling leaders continue their childlike games of warfare!

Also a lot of suffering of innocent people going on in Lebanon sadly thanks to Netanyahoo.

Trump is now talking about finishing the war but leaving the Strait of Hormuz closed as it doesn't affect the US or he might go ahead and bomb Iran to bits. What a complete ........words fail me.

Thousands of troops now arriving in the ME. This is war.

Where is Congress in all this?

One thing for sure Iran is ready for them and I hope the USA is ready for what is going to be heaped on their heads in a ground war.

Trump is sending those young men to their deaths. Iran are 'waiting for them'. Another mistake by the US. If husbands and sons are killed it won't go down own well in America. They need Trump out. He's a liability.

It is an utter tragedy.

Young soldiers fighting in a war that should never happen. There will be untold deaths and all for nothing. This will be another futile war undertaken by the USA, exactly like the other futile wars like Vietnam, Iraq etc.

The outcome will be families bereft, together with the assurance that those people who will suffer the sight of foreign soldiers on their land, killing and inflicting harm will hate the USA for decades to come.

A slight aside. Did anyone see Trump speaking the other day where he said “this is a military operation not a war. I don’t need to go to congress for a military operation”. He said it in a mocking/sneering voice. Unbelievable! Poor troops!

I had been wondering why he was calling it a military operation.
I thoought it was to deal with the dialogue in his own head.

Think he got the idea from his pal Mr Putin.

A series of attacks military operations against the same opponent, accompanied by demands that other countries join in the assult, definitely IS a war, whatever Trump thinks it is in his head.

Trump is creating more terrorists than he kills. Young people in those countries the US are attacking will grow up to hate the west and we then have a whole new generation of terrorists.

From what I have read and seen in recent days, trump is definitely demented or insane - whatever you want to call it. Nixon stood down for far less, and Clinton was impeached for lying about an affair. There are some very supid people backing trump and you have to ask 'why?'

From AI.
From BBC2 it says.

yes, people in the US have mechanisms to influence or stop presidential actions, though the effectiveness of these checks is a subject of intense debate following the expansion of presidential power since January 2025. The ability to curb these actions depends on a combination of institutional, legal, and public resistance

It also depends on the willingness of those working under the president to stick their necks out and resist him. He has learnt (from experts like Putin or from the writings of Machiavelli or Stephen Miller) how to control people by a mixture of carrots, big sticks and blackmail, which can make it very hard for subordinates to rebel.