So Let King Donald Take America Out Of NATO......

According to Jeremy Bowen on BBC News last night, if the USA leaves, it will be the end of NATO, no question.

Why would it be the end of NATO ?
We don’t have to be US slaves neither do we have to be their enemies We can review the friendship after ‘the vile one’ has gone depending who takes over.
The ‘ special relationship’ (was that a Thatcher thing ?) is just a load of nonsense anyway

Isn’t there an argument that NATO is freeloading on the USA? The greatest financial contribution offers very little to the American taxpayer.
I’m guessing that Starmer has deliberately played the way he has with Trump leaving Europe as the only alternative defence partner. It’s a very expensive policy.

We will lose the USA money. The USA will lose all of their European bases.

The US doesn't have a global military presence without it's bases in Europe and other NATO countries. It won't leave NATO and if Trump said it was he would be out of office long before he'd managed to move any of his troops.

How did Europe become dependent on the US for defence?
It wasn’t laziness: it was a deliberate plan starting after WW2.
There is a mountain of info online but I think this video explains it in such a way that everyone can understand.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SkZshh5WVU

I doubt it Trump will have thought what he would lose if the US leaves NATO. He is sulking because NATO nations didn't follow him into attacking Iran.
He changes his mind daily so we will have to see if he follows through on that threat.

The US is not Trump.

It is in the interest of the US to have Europe as an ally but they want us to share the defence cost fairly, when Trumps power fades - probably in 12 months time when he looses his majority.
Then sanity will return, 2 more years and we will get a normal sensible POTUS, so I rate the likelihood of US leaving NATO as zero, it's not going to happen

Shows how dim Trump is though.

He has never got to grips with the NATO remit.

The US is not Trump.

It isnt.

But it is right now it seems.
And see what is happening.
And what so easily could happen.

How long will he carry on like he is for?
6 months. 2 years?
Imagine what could happen in that time.

The Iran war has "only" been 6 weeks so far?

Even the US cannot sustain the present level of attacks on Iran, so it will either stop quickly and declare it has won which is what Trump is saying now, or it will continue with a war of attrition

We should hope for a quick end.

On the issue of NATO funding, I am going to use this from the BBC yesterday

In cash terms however, the US is still by far the biggest spender on defence, spending about $980bn (£720bn) last year, which was 62% of the Nato total.

The US is a global superpower, with military commitments around the world, not just to Nato. It had GDP greater than all the rest of the members of Nato put together in 2025.

US defence spending has come down from 3.6% of GDP in 2020 to an estimated 3.2% in 2025.

Whitewavemark2

Shows how dim Trump is though.

He has never got to grips with the NATO remit.

He’s not the only one 😉 You don’t have to look far to see that.

So the US contribution is in line with it's GDP, which is how contributions are calculated. The spending reduced under Biden but will have increased greatly under Trump's second term. If the US wants to stay a super power it needs bases in other countries and NATO enables it to do that. The US won't leave NATO, it was instrumental in creating it for a reason, the US needs a stable Europe just as much as the Countries in Europe does. Trump wants countries to pay their fair share, which is not unreasonable but it will be based on GDP.

If Mr Trump leaves NATO I doubt a future President would re-join. What would be the benefit to the US taxpayer?

During the Cold War fighting WW3 in Europe seemed a good deal to the US, now with superpower China in the mix SE Asia has more importance so Europe has to spend more and defend itself

As I've said on another thread, Trump cannot take USA out of Nato. He needs the agreement of both houses. This was introduced by Rubio a number of years ago. If Trump tries to, he will be taken to the Supreme Court. There are plenty of cases lining up against him already

Trump won’t exit NATO, fact is he doesn’t understand what it is. Is not there to assist western nations that decide to wage an illegal war, is there to defend any western nations that are attacked by an aggressor.
His complete lack of understanding with regard to this underlines why he waged an illegal war on Iran in the first place, because he is basically an extremely dangerous ignoramus.

There are lots of things that it would be crazy for the US to do but it has not stopped Trump doing them!

Do you really think that JD Vance will be a big improvement?

fancythat

On the issue of NATO funding, I am going to use this from the BBC yesterday

In cash terms however, the US is still by far the biggest spender on defence, spending about $980bn (£720bn) last year, which was 62% of the Nato total.

The US is a global superpower, with military commitments around the world, not just to Nato. It had GDP greater than all the rest of the members of Nato put together in 2025.

US defence spending has come down from 3.6% of GDP in 2020 to an estimated 3.2% in 2025.

Let’s hope the US stays in NATO , I think they will, and it won’t be something that any President can decide on his own.

King Trump cannot do this by himself. It has to be agreed by Congress. This is not going to happen but it's made Europe and other world leaders think about increasing their own defence and collectively Europe can do this. America won't be so powerful if they are unable to use airbases all over the world. I guess he failed to think this through before bad mouthing world leaders and shooting off his mouth. He has made America a laughing stock all over the world. His word means nothing as he cant be trusted

Etep06

Do you really think that JD Vance will be a big improvement?

Definitely not. Anyone in Trump's inner circle is suspect. Trump's Republican Party needs to be out of power.

Fallingstar

Trump won’t exit NATO, fact is he doesn’t understand what it is. Is not there to assist western nations that decide to wage an illegal war, is there to defend any western nations that are attacked by an aggressor.
His complete lack of understanding with regard to this underlines why he waged an illegal war on Iran in the first place, because he is basically an extremely dangerous ignoramus.

I couldn't agree more. He knows nothing and not taking advice from those more qualified. One hint of disagreement with him, he gets rid of you.