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«U turn if you want to» Foie gras but not marmalade?

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RosiesMawagain Mon 06-Apr-26 07:24:29

It appears U-turn Keir may be poised to about-turn on his manifesto pledge to ban foie gras and fur imports in an attempt to secure a trade deal with the EU. Ministers are reportedly considering an about-turn on the pledge, which Labour made in opposition on animal welfare grounds.
Officials are engaged in trade talks on food standards with Brussels, which are set to be finalised ahead of a summit in June or July. The trade talks come as part of Sir Keir’s wider “reset” with the EU, which includes a food and drink standards deal announced last year and closer alignment on energy and carbon markets .
Brussels has demanded Britain drop its opposition to foie gras, most of which is produced in France by force-feeding ducks and geese to artificially enlarge their livers. Under the terms Sir Keir is pursuing with the EU, Britain would be required to secure a special exemption from Brussels to continue with a ban, because European states are not allowed to ban each others’ food on animal welfare grounds. Sources close to the discussions told The Guardian that it was likely the UK would instead abandon the pledge to secure concessions in other areas

In the meantime, we have to swallow (no pun intended) the renaming of marmalade as citrus marmalade
Isn’t that tautology? If it was any other fruit it would be JAM. (Duh!)

Grandmabatty Mon 06-Apr-26 07:37:35

Marmalade usually has the type of fruit used on the label ie orange or lime or whatever. I can't get excited about that to be honest

Whitewavemark2 Mon 06-Apr-26 07:42:13

This is a non-story.

It simply isn’t going to happen.

BlueBelle Mon 06-Apr-26 07:58:39

Isn’t this scraping the jam jar a bit

Chocolatelovinggran Mon 06-Apr-26 08:10:13

The delicious marmalade in my cupboard declares itself as " Seville Orange Marmalade". I can't see why this would cause any reaction to anyone.
I feel unable to comment on foie gras, as I haven't eaten meat for forty plus years, but cannot see the connection with marmalade.

MartavTaurus Mon 06-Apr-26 08:52:44

I think the connection is interfering with our food choices, whatever the provenance or name label. There's surely more important things to be concentrating on. Marmalade is Marmalade, just that.

And by the way, Keir, please now do a U-turn on the silly Foot and Mouth restrictions from across the Channel, implemented this time last year. France has had no trace of the virus since 2001 and I'm sick of eating my weight in French cheeses over there to get my yearly intake! 🤣

JaneJudge Mon 06-Apr-26 08:59:00

I accidentally bought honey marmalade from the farm shop. It's just a mixture of honey and marmalade
I'm still a bit perplexed by it

Maremia Mon 06-Apr-26 09:04:28

If you read how fois gras is made, perhaps you would agree with its ban.

MartavTaurus Mon 06-Apr-26 09:07:13

Maremia

If you read how fois gras is made, perhaps you would agree with its ban.

Only on occasions - "fois" * Maremia* !!! 😂

GrannyGravy13 Mon 06-Apr-26 09:09:03

I have been against Fois Gras since learning how it was made as a young teen.

I have always refused to have it in the house, and family and friends know, in my presence not to order it if it’s on a restaurant menu.

eazybee Mon 06-Apr-26 09:09:19

Starmer is determined to drag us back into the EU at any cost.
I don't know what it is about jam, compote, conserve, marmalade etc that so incenses the French, but I thought we had done with all that stupidity.

GrannyGravy13 Mon 06-Apr-26 09:09:48

Oops Foie Gras, my iPad thinks it knows better 🤬🤬🤬

MartavTaurus Mon 06-Apr-26 09:22:42

GrannyGravy13

Oops Foie Gras, my iPad thinks it knows better 🤬🤬🤬

That's no excuse as we're talking about inventing new names products!!
(I hope Maremia got the subtle joke.) It would be fois grasse then. (Pedant).

BlueBelle Mon 06-Apr-26 09:31:10

I know exactly how Foie Gras is made and totally oppose it but then I don’t eat meat or fish either
I d love to be back in the EU eazybee Starmer can drag me there as much as he likes, still don’t agree with Fois gras though in or out

Fallingstar Mon 06-Apr-26 09:37:32

Foie Gras is one way to brutalise an animal in order to have our goodies but don’t suppose the UK is much better with battery farms and the use of drugs injected into animals to bulk them up to produce more meat.
If people eat meat of any kind and haven’t painstakingly researched how the animals are farmed and killed it is hypocritical to point the finger at foie gras.
As for marmalade I don’t think it matters if citrus is included on the label. I probably wouldn’t notice.

Silvershadow Mon 06-Apr-26 09:51:31

I think you can get onion marmalade and cranberry marmalade so they are not citrus fruits. There is a lady on the this morning thread who makes tons of marmalade for her church. She’d be the person to advise I think. Citrus can only mean oranges, lemons or limes surely?

JaneJudge Mon 06-Apr-26 10:07:41

which is basically what is used for marmalade? actually I've not seen a lemon one but I imagine waitrose most probably sells it

JaneJudge Mon 06-Apr-26 10:08:40

should have googled as lots of companies sell it blush

MaizieD Mon 06-Apr-26 10:12:47

According to a thread I was reading on BlueSky this morning, some EU countries use a word very similar to 'marmalade' as a blanket term for what we call 'jam'. Putting the description 'citrus' in front of it merely clarifies its content. Some posters posted shots of several different UK marmalade labels which variously add a description such as 'orange', 'lime', 'orange and grapefruit' etc. and one poster pointed out that one of the UK's best selling 'marmalade' is just labelled as 'Golden Shred'.

This is a whole fuss about nothing at all.

I'd remind the fussers that if we hadn't so stupidly removed ourselves from the EU we could have had some input into the decision. As it is, if we want to continue to sell our marmalade into the EU it needs to be labelled according to their 'rules'.

Silvershadow Mon 06-Apr-26 10:13:14

Yes lemon marmalade, onion marmalade, cranberry marmalade, marmalade with garlic in, you name it it’s out there.

westendgirl Mon 06-Apr-26 10:13:59

I read that in 1500 s marmalade was made from quince and was imported from Spain and Italy.I think the quince jelly is now membrillo and eaten with cheese.

JaneJudge Mon 06-Apr-26 10:16:16

my friend made me some lovely quince jam from a tree at work which had an absolute glut of fruit last summer

LemonJam Mon 06-Apr-26 10:33:22

I agree with others, a whole fuss about nothing at all. Plus an opportunity for the OP to have a dig against Starmer- but not landing a blow.

Many UK marmalade jars, as others have pointed out already meet the EU spec. Food naming/labelling etc issues circulated even before Brexit. We voted out but still want to/wish to trade with the EU- so UK food exporters to the EU will necessarily need to follow EU rules and regulations. Why market differently at greater expense? Most UK marmalade manufacturers already label marmalade to meet the needs of both markets.

Apart from that red herring, the reality is that in all negotiations, concessions have to be made in order to reach a mutually desired outcome. The UK needs to be closer to the EU for a myriad of reasons. The UK voted out of the EU so the EU holds the stronger cards in any negotiation in whcih the UK wishes to get closer for UK benefit without being a paid up EU member. The UK necessarily in such negotiations has to be willing to make concessions. This reality is nothing to do with Starmer but is for the future benefit of the UK.

BlueBelle Mon 06-Apr-26 10:39:47

Well I made courgette and ginger jam last year or maybe it was courgette and ginger marmalade who knows what in a name ! Aanyway nothing suffered to produce it only the courgettes which found themselves in a hot sticky mess

Rocketstop2 Mon 06-Apr-26 10:42:23

Perhaps they distribute this stuff to the press to distract the public from what is currently happening !