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«U turn if you want to» Foie gras but not marmalade?

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RosiesMawagain Mon 06-Apr-26 07:24:29

It appears U-turn Keir may be poised to about-turn on his manifesto pledge to ban foie gras and fur imports in an attempt to secure a trade deal with the EU. Ministers are reportedly considering an about-turn on the pledge, which Labour made in opposition on animal welfare grounds.
Officials are engaged in trade talks on food standards with Brussels, which are set to be finalised ahead of a summit in June or July. The trade talks come as part of Sir Keir’s wider “reset” with the EU, which includes a food and drink standards deal announced last year and closer alignment on energy and carbon markets .
Brussels has demanded Britain drop its opposition to foie gras, most of which is produced in France by force-feeding ducks and geese to artificially enlarge their livers. Under the terms Sir Keir is pursuing with the EU, Britain would be required to secure a special exemption from Brussels to continue with a ban, because European states are not allowed to ban each others’ food on animal welfare grounds. Sources close to the discussions told The Guardian that it was likely the UK would instead abandon the pledge to secure concessions in other areas

In the meantime, we have to swallow (no pun intended) the renaming of marmalade as citrus marmalade
Isn’t that tautology? If it was any other fruit it would be JAM. (Duh!)

NotSpaghetti Thu 09-Apr-26 08:14:55

Fallingstar - whilst I agree that animal husbandry is poor, the bulking injections have been banned in the UK and the European Union, for decades.

This practice (often using hormones or specific antibiotics) is still common in other parts of the world though - especially the US - and I think still widespread in Australia (but would have to check that).

Cossy Thu 09-Apr-26 09:31:55

I simply cannot believe that by tying marmalade to Paddington Bear, a fictional children’s character, then to our late Queen, people are expecting others to take them even in the slightest bit seriously!

They are not asking us to ditch marmalade, hang Paddington and forget all our dear late Queen.

Please do get a grip!

Cossy Thu 09-Apr-26 09:32:38

NotSpaghetti

Fallingstar - whilst I agree that animal husbandry is poor, the bulking injections have been banned in the UK and the European Union, for decades.

This practice (often using hormones or specific antibiotics) is still common in other parts of the world though - especially the US - and I think still widespread in Australia (but would have to check that).

Which is precisely why many of did not wish to do food trades with the USA

MaizieD Thu 09-Apr-26 09:47:17

Cossy

NotSpaghetti

Fallingstar - whilst I agree that animal husbandry is poor, the bulking injections have been banned in the UK and the European Union, for decades.

This practice (often using hormones or specific antibiotics) is still common in other parts of the world though - especially the US - and I think still widespread in Australia (but would have to check that).

Which is precisely why many of did not wish to do food trades with the USA

Not to mention chlorinated chicken, of course.

US animal husbandry being so poor that chicken carcasses have to be disinfected with chlorine before they can be sold. Despite this, the US has a much higher incidence of food poisoning than does the UK. We discussed this whole topic quite extensively a few years ago when a post Brexit trade deal with the US looked like a possibility...

twaddle Thu 09-Apr-26 09:53:31

Cossy

I simply cannot believe that by tying marmalade to Paddington Bear, a fictional children’s character, then to our late Queen, people are expecting others to take them even in the slightest bit seriously!

They are not asking us to ditch marmalade, hang Paddington and forget all our dear late Queen.

Please do get a grip!

It really is the most pathetic non-story!

As far as I can work out, when the UK was in the EU, it objected to other countries calling their jams "marmalade" (or something similar) and claimed the word should only be used for citrus jams. When the UK left the EU, other countries could do what they wanted to do in the first place. Germans call all jams "Marmelade" and I think some other countries do too.

The UK can hardly expect other countries to reverse its changes just because the UK has now decided that it was a mistake to cut all ties.

As others have said, most marmalade in the UK is preceded by the name of the fruit (orange, lime, grapefruit, etc) anyway.

GrannyGravy13 Thu 09-Apr-26 10:41:46

I really cannot be fussed over marmalade labels.

I am in favour of an outright ban to all imports and sales of Foie Gras in the U.K.

It is already illegal to produce it here.

sundowngirl Thu 09-Apr-26 12:55:50

I am in favour of an outright ban to all imports and sales of Foie Gras in the U.K.

I totally agree.

Deedaa Thu 09-Apr-26 15:16:51

We were in Italy one Easter and got chatting to a Milanese doctor. We told him we were going to drive over to Verona on Easter Monday and he told us to watch out for the marmalades. When he saw us looking a bit blank he said "Oh no! It's jam in English isn't it?"

I seem to remember the King banning Foie Gras from the Royal kitchens a long time ago.

MartavTaurus Thu 09-Apr-26 22:12:23

I seem to remember the King banning Foie Gras from the Royal kitchens a long time ago.
That is correct.

Elsewhere, Monsieur Macron popped across to Japan last week, and apparently he was armed with a note from the chief foie gras President, (yes, there is one!), to win back the Japanese market! They are by far the main export market. It was expected he would ask for the avian flu ban of 2023 to be lifted.
Well that's what I'm getting from French news here, but I'm not sure what the outcome was?

Namsnanny Sat 11-Apr-26 10:43:21

When news stories like this come about, it always makes me wonder what is happening in the world that we (the media) are not paying enough attention to.

Beans12 Sun 19-Apr-26 18:35:45

Allira

Beans12

Fois Gras is an abomination-just vile.When I learnt that Princess Kate was a fan, I went right off her-not that I was that keen before, she's very two-faced, all this finding peace in nature, but enjoying shooting poor birds as a hobby-she's not "kind and caring" at all.

Who is "Princess Kate" 🤔
Is she a foreign Princess because no members of our Royal Family are called by that name. Or from a Disney film, perhaps?

Oh, sorry (not!) Allira, I'm sure you know perfectly well who she is, but let me confirm for you, William's wifey! Who tells us all how she's at one with nature, and we should be too, but then proceeds to show her kiddies what a good shot she is, as she blasts some hapless, unfortunate birds-are they not part of her world of nature then?-full of lead-or maybe she sticks to unleaded shots, can't have her being accused of hypocricey now, can we!