«U turn if you want to» Foie gras but not marmalade?

Allira

Freya5

MartavTaurus

I think the connection is interfering with our food choices, whatever the provenance or name label. There's surely more important things to be concentrating on. Marmalade is Marmalade, just that.

And by the way, Keir, please now do a U-turn on the silly Foot and Mouth restrictions from across the Channel, implemented this time last year. France has had no trace of the virus since 2001 and I'm sick of eating my weight in French cheeses over there to get my yearly intake! 🤣

Oh shame, they do sell them over here if you're that desperate.

No, they are not.

It's because of Lumpy Skin Disease outbreaks.

Germany has Foot & Mouth sporadic outbreaks at the moment, & it would be difficult to ban german cured meats, soft cheeses if we didn't also ban french.

Foot & Mouth causes such heartbreak & slaughter (although I'm not up on the current epidemiology & strategies), my gut feeling is I would want that ban to continue.

Foie Gras is a cruel product, but we have a better chance of influencing & maybe modifying its production methods if we're in the EU. Banning it is virtue signalling in practical terms.

Us British are very attached to some of our things, Marmalade being one of them. Especially after the skit of Paddington and our late Queen who will probably remain the last respected member of the monarchy.

Labels are changed lots of times on other products for marketing purposes. If it tastes the same, I am not bothered,

French cheeses are not being imported because of an outbreak Lumpy Skin Disease in dairy cattle.

It's not a joke. It is spread by insects.

polnan

which is the reason I am against being back in the EU.. I voted Brexit and continue with that, simply,,, the first vote was for TRADE with Europe, which I voted for and will vote again, but I despise being ruled by another country or countries..

Shoot me down if you wish..

I so agree with you, a trading arrangement, yes but only that.

Oui, Allira is correct that there is Lumpy Skin Disease currently found in French cattle.
I'm in France now, and checked the Agence nationale de sécurité sanitaire de l'alimentation guidance. It's mainly in the South, I believe it came from Italy. However it states that LSD is not transmissible to humans, whether through contact with sick animals or the consumption of products from these animals. The virus does not affect humans, and meat/milk from infected animals is not considered a direct danger to public health, and the French ministry of agriculture has implemented containment measures.

So, back to my several kilos of French cheese for lunch and dinner. 😋

Oh shame, they do sell them over here if you're that desperate.
No they don't, Freya, not the ones I buy anyway! 🤣

No problem with the ban on foie gras, but I think the fuss about marmalade is ridiculous.

To uote AI because I could not put it better

Marmalade" derives from the Portuguese word marmelada, a preserve made from quinces (marmelo). It originates from the Ancient Greek melimēlon (honey-apple), which became melimelum in Latin and referred to quince preserved in honey. The term shifted from quince paste to citrus preserves as it was adopted into English, French, and other European languages.

I see no reason why a jar labelled 'marmelade' should not make it clear on the label that it is made from citrus fruit not uinces. Remember we export marmelade all over the world and we want those buying British marmelade in supermarkets and stores in other countries to understand what the jar contains.

It doesn’t bother me, as long as it’s clear which fruit is used, Seville oranges being the best.
In Portugal marmalade is made from quinces and is disgusting😱

In Portugal marmalade is made from quinces and is disgusting😱
We're just back from a visit to Portugal, I don't think the Portuguese like their own marmalade! For breakfast it was always Bonne Maman little pots of marmalade with bitter oranges/oranges amères.

Oreo

It doesn’t bother me, as long as it’s clear which fruit is used, Seville oranges being the best.
In Portugal marmalade is made from quinces and is disgusting😱

Mine was delicious 😀
Made in Devon but only the once about 45 years ago. Never again!

Britain was in the EU for decades before Brexit and they didn't object to our marmalade during that time. Why are they being very petty now?

Maremia

Labels are changed lots of times on other products for marketing purposes. If it tastes the same, I am not bothered,

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It does make me sigh, 🙄🙄. Yes the Common Market, was simply that, a common trading market.

It evolved over time, as did we all. We were never “ruled” by the EU, because we had voted in MEPs to represent our interests (Mr Farage! Remember him? He off the massive MEP pension pot yet failing to turn up when required to vote)
We also had the ability to veto, as we did with both the Euro and the EU Army.

We paid a lot, however we got so much in return.

We left, it cost us a fortune, we got nothing in return!

We cannot re-join just the bits we want, we cannot access the benefits of a “club” with the requisite joining fees.

Yes, we can attempt to trade and we should continue to do so, but in this climate the EU is about so much more than just trade.

Menopauselbitch

Just another instance of our Prime Minister being weak. Changing the name of Marmalade saddens me especially because of the connection to Paddington Bear and our late Queen.

The name of marmalade isn't being changed.

It will just need a description of what type of marmalade it is.

Which loads of marmalades sold in the UK have already.

Though I've no doubt you will completely ignore the truth and carry on believing nonsense...

The trouble is, it was all this negative press about things like labelling, & bendy bananas, etc, that was probably tongue-in-cheek by the press at the time, that led to the negative connotations of the EU, which didn't help when we had a referendum.
People thought we could go back to the red-tape free 1970's when in reality the world had changed & you can never go back (& in many ways, who would want to?)

valdavi

The trouble is, it was all this negative press about things like labelling, & bendy bananas, etc, that was probably tongue-in-cheek by the press at the time, that led to the negative connotations of the EU, which didn't help when we had a referendum.
People thought we could go back to the red-tape free 1970's when in reality the world had changed & you can never go back (& in many ways, who would want to?)

Wasn’t it Johnson that made up the bendy banana stuff?

valdavi

The trouble is, it was all this negative press about things like labelling, & bendy bananas, etc, that was probably tongue-in-cheek by the press at the time, that led to the negative connotations of the EU, which didn't help when we had a referendum.
People thought we could go back to the red-tape free 1970's when in reality the world had changed & you can never go back (& in many ways, who would want to?)

Exactly!

I don't think it's togue in cheek at all, it's either an attempt to give Brexiters a completely spurious grievance to nurture division.

In Johnson's case, it was a bit of a laugh because he was bored with being 'Brussels correspondent' for whatever paper he was writing for and made up all sorts of mendacious stories to amuse himself. Lies he then weaponised them in the run up to the referendum...

Apologies for bad editing in my post

MaizieD

I don't think it's togue in cheek at all, it's either an attempt to give Brexiters a completely spurious grievance to nurture division.

In Johnson's case, it was a bit of a laugh because he was bored with being 'Brussels correspondent' for whatever paper he was writing for and made up all sorts of mendacious stories to amuse himself. Lies he then weaponised them in the run up to the referendum...

You know what, if all people have to worry about is whether we can keep the word marmalade on our jars of various concoctions of spreads on which we can spread on our toast and put in our sandwiches, then you’re very lucky indeed.

Meanwhile, back in the real world…….

sundowngirl

Britain was in the EU for decades before Brexit and they didn't object to our marmalade during that time. Why are they being very petty now?

Times and rules evolve. If you are going to have a free trade area then the rules and definitions have to be the same throughout, and if another country, like the UK ,are trying to muscle in and cherrypick the bits they want to join, they have just got to accept what the others say because they have chosen to withdraw and no longer have any say in the rules.

So if, for example, the EU as a whole decides that every fruit preserve of every kind in a jar is to be called 'marmalade' then all the UK can do is do as it is told or get out. As it is, the new rule is not that drastic, it just has to say 'citrus marmelade' on jars of the preserve we call marmelade. Storm in a dolls teacup.

As it is, the new rule is not that drastic, it just has to say 'citrus marmelade' on jars of the preserve we call marmelade.

It’s been pointed out several times on this thread that many UK brands of marmalade already have a descriptor as part of their ‘name’. Which makes the fuss about this even more idiotic because we already do it

Oreo

It doesn’t bother me, as long as it’s clear which fruit is used, Seville oranges being the best.
In Portugal marmalade is made from quinces and is disgusting😱

Our first home together in 1988 was a Georgian terrace in SE1, London. Tiny courtyard garden but the most magnificent quince tree, trained up and outwards on the rear wall. Must have been original to the house, thick trunk and branches. My husband made beautiful quince jelly. One of the things that reeled me in, great cook 😁

MayBee70
Wasn’t it Johnson that made up the bendy banana stuff?
BJ may well have used it.

However, the actual EEC Regulation
No 2257/94 (often called the "bendy banana law") was passed in 1994.