US troops forced to act on the ground?

Cossy 15.44:

I am in agreement with the majority of points you set out.

Trump positioned himself as a "candidate of peace" against Biden. Now he's a Bush style regime change president in short order. It's not what American citizens wanted or voted for.

I will answer serious questions. Not going to indulge any nonsense.

It's amazing that people believe the US has control of the situation.
If they did this war would have been over many weeks ago. As it is Trump has no cards to play now.
The only way is by negotiation and Trump can't have it all his own way or this war will never end.

AGAA4

It's amazing that people believe the US has control of the situation.
If they did this war would have been over many weeks ago. As it is Trump has no cards to play now.
The only way is by negotiation and Trump can't have it all his own way or this war will never end.

I agree

The Meidas Touch podcast has just listed Foreign Secretaries, of more than 10 countries, our own included, who have had bi-lateral talks with an Iranian Minister.
Getting on with trying to resolve this problem, and by-passing Trump.

Maremia, that seems a very sensible plan. Did I read that there might be an acceptance of Spanish craft through the Straight?

That would be good. Spain first and then some more.
Conditions must be dreadful for the crews. And that anxiety.

51 countries have discussed the situation in the Strait of Hormuz and how to tackle it. HMS Duncan is on it's way to the middle east and also a French vessel.
Trump is getting nowhere fast. Hopefully the adults will be able to sort the situation with no bluster.

With Trump heading to China, and Xi likely to have some influence with Iran, and Trump desperate to get a deal, it is now being asked, will Taiwan be sacrificed?

Cossy

AGAA4

It's amazing that people believe the US has control of the situation.
If they did this war would have been over many weeks ago. As it is Trump has no cards to play now.
The only way is by negotiation and Trump can't have it all his own way or this war will never end.

I agree

So you think that Iran should continue attacking Israel, sponsoring terrorism, have nuclear weapons, and control Hormuz.

That is what you have just said !

Maremia

With Trump heading to China, and Xi likely to have some influence with Iran, and Trump desperate to get a deal, it is now being asked, will Taiwan be sacrificed?

I hope not! I know people wo live there. ☹

Maremia

With Trump heading to China, and Xi likely to have some influence with Iran, and Trump desperate to get a deal, it is now being asked, will Taiwan be sacrificed?

It's disgusting that these super-powers have the right to decide that a country should be a bargaining chip.

David49 that is absolutely not what I have said. Don't put words into my mouth.
Diplomacy is the only way now as the US have made a huge mess of this. They have caused more terrorists and a vengeful Iran.
Nobody wanted this but that's what has happened. Israel and Jews everywhere are in more danger than before.
If you believe this war has achieved anything then that is your prerogative but there are many who don't.

I am with you on that Allira, but it's out of our power, and what else does Trump have to offer?
So much for holding all the cards.

Maremia

I am with you on that Allira, but it's out of our power, and what else does Trump have to offer?
So much for holding all the cards.

It's not his to offer.
Taiwan is self-governing.

It's his to offer defence, and then remove that offer, unfortunately.
If Trump decides to remove that, just as he threatened to remove support for Europe.
At least in Europe, we have other support.
I hope he doesn't think of this, but Xi might.
It has been suggested in MSM.

AGAA4, there have been some strange accusations on this Thread.
Don't know why. Counter arguments are usually of a different standard. And usually conducive to continued discussion.

David49

Cossy

AGAA4

It's amazing that people believe the US has control of the situation.
If they did this war would have been over many weeks ago. As it is Trump has no cards to play now.
The only way is by negotiation and Trump can't have it all his own way or this war will never end.

I agree

So you think that Iran should continue attacking Israel, sponsoring terrorism, have nuclear weapons, and control Hormuz.

That is what you have just said !

David49, No- AGAA4 did not in any way say that Iran should continue attacking Isreal, sponsoring terrorism, having nuclear weapons and controlling Hormuz.

Thank you LemonJam and Maremia. I didn't understand why I had that response to my post. The Iranian regime is vile and I would never support it.

Maremia

It's his to offer defence, and then remove that offer, unfortunately.
If Trump decides to remove that, just as he threatened to remove support for Europe.
At least in Europe, we have other support.
I hope he doesn't think of this, but Xi might.
It has been suggested in MSM.

Yes.

It should not be so but unfortunately it is. ☹

AGAA4

Thank you LemonJam and Maremia. I didn't understand why I had that response to my post. The Iranian regime is vile and I would never support it.

Because this thread this has turned into a hate Trump fest, we are where we are and it should be hope for the future, where aggression all round ends.

I'm hoping China persuades Iran to give up supporting terrorism because that is what caused the conflict, as part of that the US would withdraw and force Israel to treat Palestinians fairly,
I my book Iran can do whatever it likes internally it's the sponsoring of terrorism outside that must stop. Most of the conflict in the Middle East is caused by Iran suporting terrorists this must end

I wouldn't describe this thread as a "hate Trump fee"

Trump and Natanyahu initiated his illegal war and posters do have the right to express their views about Trump's decisions and actions (he's gone quiet about his partner ion crime Natanyahu recently) as a result- see title of the thread.

Whether poster views are positive or negative, either views expressed and repeated then does not constitute a "love fest" or "hate fest"

I would imagine the vast majority if not all posters hope for a future where "aggression all round" might end.

valdali

Oreo

Casdon

I think Trump thought it was for Trump’s benefit Maremia. That is the only thing he cares about.

It’s for the benefit of Israel as Iran wants them wiped off the face of the earth ( not gonna happen) but Iran pays its proxies to constantly attack them.
It’s also for the benefit of so many countries including the UK and the US as Iran has paid and encouraged so many outrageous attacks on both countries as well as many others.
Iran is a menace.

I can't see that the present war benefits Israel long-term.

Iran's "proxies" (Hezbollah, Hamas) are not well-disposed to Israel in their own right. They'd have the will to attack even if Iran couldn't aid them. (someone would). You make it sound like they're just doing it because Iran tells them to.

Depends how long you think "long-term" is, I guess.

Trump has built quite an aggressor, interventionist portfolio in a relatively short period. It would be good all round if he could go back to the platform on which he won his second term- to be a peace keeper.

I think terrorists will target Jews all over the world much more frequently as a result of this war, so there is not going to be a long term benefit in that regard.