US troops forced to act on the ground?

Because this thread this has turned into a hate Trump fest, we are where we are and it should be hope for the future, where aggression all round ends.

David49 what Trump has done is causing more division and chaos throughout the world. He is an old man and his legacy will be an uncertain world with more aggression and fear than we have known for a long time.

I fear for my children, grandchildren and all young people.

'We are where we are' and all of those locked in boats are stuck in the Strait, because of Trump and his illegal war.

I'm not a Trump supporter he was a fool to think he could bomb Iran into submission, especially after Gaza,

Now that he failed to do that Iran is claiming sovereignty over Hormuz. That cannot be agreed because it means Iran can dominate the whole region and continue its terrorism policy unabated.

We cannot allow an evil regime like Iran to do that and whatever the cost to the world economy it must not be agreed.

The sad thing is that it was totally predictable, and was predicted, including by the military leaders he sacked. There are no strong enough words to describe what a monumental cock up he has made.

Apparently before the US/Israel attack on Iran the talks were going well. Now Iran will be even more focused on getting a nuclear weapon as they are in danger.
Trump has caused this situation and is floundering as he can't see a way out.

David49

I'm not a Trump supporter he was a fool to think he could bomb Iran into submission, especially after Gaza,

Now that he failed to do that Iran is claiming sovereignty over Hormuz. That cannot be agreed because it means Iran can dominate the whole region and continue its terrorism policy unabated.

We cannot allow an evil regime like Iran to do that and whatever the cost to the world economy it must not be agreed.

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Casdon

I think terrorists will target Jews all over the world much more frequently as a result of this war, so there is not going to be a long term benefit in that regard.

Actually I think it’s more likely that those who hate Jews in the UK are the culprits more than terrorists.Same all over the world.
Real Islamist terrorists target Westerners whatever their race and religion.

What I meant was that they are people who claim the act is the result of an allegiance to Islam, whether they classify as terrorists or not. I don’t think terrorists do have to be linked to a specific organisation to be classified as such though?

If Iran does not allow freedom of passage in the Gulf the US should stop all shipping for as long as needed and we all have to share the cost of that.
The consequence of Iran being able to dominate the whole region, turning the whole Middle East into an extreme Shia regime is unacceptable.

Sanction didn't work because so many countries were willing to break them so now stop all trade until Iran does accept a reasonable end to the war, the US can and should do this.

We’re already suffering economically through no fault of our own, the whole world is, David49. It’s Trump’s Solution we are interested in.

Isn't there a poem about you have to accept what you cannot change?

Maremia

Isn't there a poem about you have to accept what you cannot change?

Are you thinking of the serenity prayer "Oh, God, give us courage to change what must be altered, serenity to accept what can not be helped, and insight to know the one from the other." ?

We cannot allow an evil regime like Iran to do that and whatever the cost to the world economy it must not be agreed.

What makes you think that 'we' can police the rest of the world?

What an absurd statement.

David49

If Iran does not allow freedom of passage in the Gulf the US should stop all shipping for as long as needed and we all have to share the cost of that.
The consequence of Iran being able to dominate the whole region, turning the whole Middle East into an extreme Shia regime is unacceptable.

Sanction didn't work because so many countries were willing to break them so now stop all trade until Iran does accept a reasonable end to the war, the US can and should do this.

It's not just Iran's trade that is being stopped.

Have you ever looked at the Persian Gulf, David?

Who else's trade will be stopped?

All those oil exporting states who wanted none of this war and have no overland route will also be blockaded. If the US won't let anything in or out of Iran, Iran sure as hell won't let anything get out of the Gulf.

MaizieD

David49

If Iran does not allow freedom of passage in the Gulf the US should stop all shipping for as long as needed and we all have to share the cost of that.
The consequence of Iran being able to dominate the whole region, turning the whole Middle East into an extreme Shia regime is unacceptable.

Sanction didn't work because so many countries were willing to break them so now stop all trade until Iran does accept a reasonable end to the war, the US can and should do this.

It's not just Iran's trade that is being stopped.

Have you ever looked at the Persian Gulf, David?

Who else's trade will be stopped?

All those oil exporting states who wanted none of this war and have no overland route will also be blockaded. If the US won't let anything in or out of Iran, Iran sure as hell won't let anything get out of the Gulf.

It's a price that may need to be paid, the alternative is that every moderate state in the region will trade with the permission of Iran.

In effect Iran will say who gets oil and who doesn't, maybe you think that is a good idea I don't.

Such a pity it's not up to us David.
Iran doesn't care if you think it's a good idea or not.
Doesn't care what I think.
Hoping that China is feeling benevolent, when meeting Trump today along with his band of inexperienced idiot advisors.

Elegran, yes thanks, that's the one.

China has the upper hand over Trump and I doubt feelings will be warm towards him. He has caused them unnecessary problems.
I hope that, as China is much less hot headed than Trump's regime, they will be able to make some progress on ending this blockade on the Strait of Hormuz.

And I hope Taiwan is not made to be the sacrificial lamb.

Maremia

Such a pity it's not up to us David.
Iran doesn't care if you think it's a good idea or not.
Doesn't care what I think.
Hoping that China is feeling benevolent, when meeting Trump today along with his band of inexperienced idiot advisors.

China "doesnt do" benevolence they are only interested in what benefits them.

Currently they want free passage into the Gulf and will be trying very hard to get Iran to soften its demands, any deal will have to be substantial. The US is easily capable of blockading the Gulf long term at very little risk, damaging economies everywhere especially Iran and the Gulf states, the rest of us will tighten our belts. All of which is bad for China because less money for their exports.

I am not expecting Taiwan to be in the mix it's complex enough without and would probably result in the US walking out.

MaizieD

^We cannot allow an evil regime like Iran to do that and whatever the cost to the world economy it must not be agreed.^

What makes you think that 'we' can police the rest of the world?

What an absurd statement.

So you do think that Iran should be allowed to regulate Gulf trade.
I think international law should regulate trade not international terrorism..

I saw footage of Trump arriving in Beijing . Elon Musk seems to be back in the fold. He stepped off Air Force One behind Trump.

David49 please stop twisting other poster's words to suit yourself.

Yes, not the usual standard of discussion.

I don't care how intelligent Musk thinks he is, he won't outsmart the Chinese.