US troops forced to act on the ground?

Maremia

I don't care how intelligent Musk thinks he is, he won't outsmart the Chinese.

There must be $$$ in it for him.

David, until January 28th Iran made no demands on passage through the Straight of Hormuz. So, what changed, and why, and how have the actions of the aggressor in that event helped the security of the world, the people of Iran, or the people of any other nation that requires oil?

Musk always yens for more money.

AGAA4

David49 please stop twisting other poster's words to suit yourself.

He does it every time, whatever is being discussed.

David's 'price that has to be paid' is condemning millions to food shortages because fertilizers depend on petrochemicals. And how about the Arab oil states which cannot get their oil to their markets? Does he think they're happy to pay it?

MaizieD

AGAA4

David49 please stop twisting other poster's words to suit yourself.

He does it every time, whatever is being discussed.

I haven’t noticed that but certainly have from other posters.

MaizieD

David's 'price that has to be paid' is condemning millions to food shortages because fertilizers depend on petrochemicals. And how about the Arab oil states which cannot get their oil to their markets? Does he think they're happy to pay it?

Of course they’re not happy, but those same Arab States aren’t happy with Iran bombing them for no reason either.
Iran cannot get away with saying that they alone control the Strait of Hormuz, simple as that.

Oreo

MaizieD

David's 'price that has to be paid' is condemning millions to food shortages because fertilizers depend on petrochemicals. And how about the Arab oil states which cannot get their oil to their markets? Does he think they're happy to pay it?

Of course they’re not happy, but those same Arab States aren’t happy with Iran bombing them for no reason either.
Iran cannot get away with saying that they alone control the Strait of Hormuz, simple as that.

If rump hadn't stuck his stick in the hornet's nest Iran wouldn't be saying it.

As it is, he has set in motion a global catastrophe.

I suspect Trump is hoping that he can persuade China to help dig him out of the horror.

I fully expect China to have other plans.

It would appear that China might be willing to help with Iran if Trump helps them with Taiwan. Currently the US provides Taiwan with a lot of military support which is designed to deter China from trying to take Taiwan. Trump has already said he is willing to reconsider this arrangement. Trump is the architect of potentially even more instability in the world.

At the moment, Iran is getting away with it, whether we like it or not.
We don't get to decide that they 'can't' or 'shouldn't', no matter how hard we wish.
The Strait was free to sail through, before Trump started his illegal war.

Well, the US does! Which is why they’re blockading all Iran’s ports.

Well, the US does! what Oreo, decides who can and cannot sail through the Strait?; apparently not.

Smileless2012

^Well, the US does!^ what Oreo, decides who can and cannot sail through the Strait?; apparently not.

No, isn’t allowing Iran to get away with controlling the Strait.
The US can wait them out by continuing to blockade all their ports.

For how long? The US needs to sort this as they are the problem. Trump started this and he is responsible for the chaos.
Blockading could go on for a very long time. Trump keeps crowing about how it will end soon but he has said that for months. Totally deluded as are his followers.

As long as necessary I should think AGAA4

It would be a terrible outcome if Trump does buy China’s support by no longer supporting Taiwan to remain independent.

Casdon

It would be a terrible outcome if Trump does buy China’s support by no longer supporting Taiwan to remain independent.

Tbh it was always just a matter of time for China to take over Taiwan.

I wouldn't put that past him. He doesn't care who suffers to get his own way.

Oreo

As long as necessary I should think AGAA4

You have such faith in Trump.

Oreo

Casdon

It would be a terrible outcome if Trump does buy China’s support by no longer supporting Taiwan to remain independent.

Tbh it was always just a matter of time for China to take over Taiwan.

How sympathetic.

According to Sky, it would take maybe a week to get all of the ships out, but, the reporter continued, Iran doesn't have to attack them all, it only has to hit one.

I doubt the ships are insured if they try to cross. They would be mad to try without heavily armed warships guiding them through.

Meanwhile in China. Trump has touched down and Xi was not there to welcome him. Is that normal?
No high ranking officials either.

foxie48

It would appear that China might be willing to help with Iran if Trump helps them with Taiwan. Currently the US provides Taiwan with a lot of military support which is designed to deter China from trying to take Taiwan. Trump has already said he is willing to reconsider this arrangement. Trump is the architect of potentially even more instability in the world.

FFS! Is this orange idiot not going to be content until the entire world is at war! He stated recently he wants Cuba now!