Henry Nowak…….an absolute tragedy.

Galaxy

Well no one is impartial, we are all influenced by our belief systems, values, etc.

Of course, but most of us do try very hard to be as impartial as possible.

I think we are far more influenced by events in our own lives too, our own backstories and upbringings make a huge difference too.

It's wrll documented because people, everyday people have drawn it to others' attention.
It isn't well documented because the police have done that; why would they?
Everyday people took to rampaging the streeta after Floyd's murder.

foxie48

Surfsup Actually there's lots of evidence of racism in policing in the US. George Floyd was arrested and murdered by a white policeman who is serving 22 years for his murder. The fact he had a criminal record or had fentanyl in his system is completely immaterial, he was asphyxiated by a policeman sitting on his neck for 9 minutes whilst he struggled to breathe. To compare the death of Henry Nowak to the death of George Floyd is frankly ludicrous. Added to that there were at least 256 black men shot by police in the the US in 2020, black men are nearly three times more likely to be shot by the police than white men. The issue of police violence towards black men in the US is extremely well documented.

Completely agree.

We aren't America.

I think original guidance for the police was they must take into account people's differences, and rightly so.
Therefore having a rulebook followed exactly the same for everybody is almost impossible.
However, the need for compassion and aiding someone who must recieve madical attention (for example) should and needs to be the same across the board, regardless.

MissAdventure

I think original guidance for the police was they must take into account people's differences, and rightly so.
Therefore having a rulebook followed exactly the same for everybody is almost impossible.
However, the need for compassion and aiding someone who must recieve madical attention (for example) should and needs to be the same across the board, regardless.

Agreed. I’m sure we all agree to this.

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foxie48

Surfsup Actually there's lots of evidence of racism in policing in the US. George Floyd was arrested and murdered by a white policeman who is serving 22 years for his murder. The fact he had a criminal record or had fentanyl in his system is completely immaterial, he was asphyxiated by a policeman sitting on his neck for 9 minutes whilst he struggled to breathe. To compare the death of Henry Nowak to the death of George Floyd is frankly ludicrous. Added to that there were at least 256 black men shot by police in the the US in 2020, black men are nearly three times more likely to be shot by the police than white men. The issue of police violence towards black men in the US is extremely well documented.

I’m not the one who brought George Floyd into the discussion and whether you agree or not his death was politicised.

It’s also well documented that far more white people were killed by police in the US.

As per usual on here anyone with a different viewpoint, however objective, is labelled, directly or inferred. There are lots of other facts well documented here and in the US - ie crime statistics but some prefer to turn a blind eye.

However, this thread is about Henry Nowak and his appalling treatment by the police. Some are seeking to excuse those officers for their dereliction of duty and lack of humanity and I will continue to challenge that viewpoint.

Surfsup

I’ve not seen anyone “excusing” the police on here at all.

I’ve seen, and stated myself, that the police (wrongly) acted on the information given to them at the time.

That doesn’t make them “lacking in humanity”. It also doesn’t excuse them.

No one here is attempting to excuse the response of the police.

No one else is to blame for the tragic death of Henry other than the man who stabbed him!

Incidentally, just by googling for a few minutes I’ve found 4 articles from the USA with stats and narrative clearly showing, out of all ethnicities, unarmed Black African Americans are far more likely to be fatality shot by American Police, than unarmed White Americans.

We will never know whether Henry might have pulled through if he hadn’t been handcuffed behind his back which resulted in I can’t breathe.

ronib

We will never know whether Henry might have pulled through if he hadn’t been handcuffed behind his back which resulted in I can’t breathe.

Sadly probably not.

I feel so sad for this life cut short and for his family and friends.

His family appear to be dealing with this horrific situation with respect and dignity. Their grief must be so all consuming. I cannot even begin to imagine how they must be feeling.

ronib

We will never know whether Henry might have pulled through if he hadn’t been handcuffed behind his back which resulted in I can’t breathe.

The pathologist who carried out the pm was unequivocal that his injuries were unsurvivable. That doesn’t of course lessen the utter pain his family must feel for the manner of his dying and the absence of care and compassion at his end.

I would like a second and third opinion in this particular situation. What makes this pathologist such an authority? How does he know that medical attention one hour before would not have helped?Tuliptree

It's always right to question practicea or events that leave people people feelung uncomfortable about acxepting the situafion.

Jusy for the record, it's sod all to do with the ethnicity of the muderer.

The implication that it's racially motivated to not just accept this is unpleasant, fo say the least.

The abject gut wrenching grief that Henry’s family must be enduring now and for the rest of their lives surpasses all speculation

If that were my child I would be howling to think what my lovely boy was subjected to on this earth in his last moments

It would be all I could focus on, constantly. Peace of
Mind would never be mine again.

It really does
I don't know how they can carry on, frankly.

The police officer who said 'I don't think you have mate' when Henry said he had been stabbed should be sacked. The video is almost unbearable to watch.

That is how I feel FriedGreenTomatoes2 the thought that his last seconds of life were in handcuffs, with no friendly or reassuring words, must be too much for his grieving family…

ronib

I would like a second and third opinion in this particular situation. What makes this pathologist such an authority? How does he know that medical attention one hour before would not have helped?*Tuliptree*

Do you actually know what a pathologist does at a pm following a suspicious death and how they are trained? Pathologists have to be certified to carry out PMs in these circumstances - they are not run of the mill pathologists (as knowable as they are) And it was a she btw. The inquest will revisit her findings anyway - what we don’t know if is there was a second pm which could have been asked for.

Of course I know what a pathologist does btw. Doesn’t mean a pathologist is infallible.

GrannyGravy13

That is how I feel FriedGreenTomatoes2 the thought that his last seconds of life were in handcuffs, with no friendly or reassuring words, must be too much for his grieving family…

I doubt suppose their grief is alleviated by the thugs making political capital out of it all, despite the father's specific request.

surfsup

foxie48

Surfsup Actually there's lots of evidence of racism in policing in the US. George Floyd was arrested and murdered by a white policeman who is serving 22 years for his murder. The fact he had a criminal record or had fentanyl in his system is completely immaterial, he was asphyxiated by a policeman sitting on his neck for 9 minutes whilst he struggled to breathe. To compare the death of Henry Nowak to the death of George Floyd is frankly ludicrous. Added to that there were at least 256 black men shot by police in the the US in 2020, black men are nearly three times more likely to be shot by the police than white men. The issue of police violence towards black men in the US is extremely well documented.

I’m not the one who brought George Floyd into the discussion and whether you agree or not his death was politicised.

It’s also well documented that far more white people were killed by police in the US.

As per usual on here anyone with a different viewpoint, however objective, is labelled, directly or inferred. There are lots of other facts well documented here and in the US - ie crime statistics but some prefer to turn a blind eye.

However, this thread is about Henry Nowak and his appalling treatment by the police. Some are seeking to excuse those officers for their dereliction of duty and lack of humanity and I will continue to challenge that viewpoint.

Please could you direct us to the posts on GN which are seeking to excuse the police officers "for (sic) their dereliction of duty and lack of humanity".

I think it would be better for the family to know that the wound was imminently fatal and nothing could have saved him than to think negligence caused his death. What they had to see was bad enough.

AGAA4

I think it would be better for the family to know that the wound was imminently fatal and nothing could have saved him than to think negligence caused his death. What they had to see was bad enough.

Yes I’ve thought the same -as I’m sure most posters would. Sadly on social media, some people want to stir up the opposite view without a shred of evidence.