Henry Nowak…….an absolute tragedy.

I think the father made pretty clear in his speech thay he is aware of failures to do right by his son.
He did it with a grace i could never manage in his circumstances.

The evidence if you want to call it that is that Henry Nowak took just over one hour to die from stab wounds. I don’t know how a pathologist would know for sure that with medical intervention, his life may have been saved or not.

ronib

The evidence if you want to call it that is that Henry Nowak took just over one hour to die from stab wounds. I don’t know how a pathologist would know for sure that with medical intervention, his life may have been saved or not.

Read the judges sentencing remarks. Some injuries are just not survivable even if you don’t die immediately . And experienced medics know this. I really don’t understand why based on zilch evidence anyone wants to believe he would have survived. It’s a pity ( in lots of ways) that the inquest is so far away.

I'm sure the fact (note: fact) that the muderer stated, when asked, that there were no weapon at the scene as far as he knew also didn't help matters.
Wicked, wicked man.

Yes that is true the call handler asked if there were any weapons and he chose to lie knowing he had just stabbed a man in the chest and he must have been badly injured. He is indeed a wicked evil man.

The whole family are like it from reports from the area. Both brothers were known as violent. A report today showing the brother holding a sword while confronting somebody outside a Hindu temple. Awful evil family.

I don’t think Henry (using his NAMEis important to me) would have survived his injuries.

What would tear me asunder if I were his mother would be thinking of my scared and UNBELIEVED boy dying alone and panicking.

The man who murdered him (over 25y) was a snake. A low bellied slitherer of a human who was cocky enough to play the race card and assume he’d be believed (which he bluddy well was in the short term). Absolutely despicable low life.

Tuliptree

ronib

The evidence if you want to call it that is that Henry Nowak took just over one hour to die from stab wounds. I don’t know how a pathologist would know for sure that with medical intervention, his life may have been saved or not.

Read the judges sentencing remarks. Some injuries are just not survivable even if you don’t die immediately . And experienced medics know this. I really don’t understand why based on zilch evidence anyone wants to believe he would have survived. It’s a pity ( in lots of ways) that the inquest is so far away.

It does not matter if he would have survived his injuries or not.

The Police did not act in such a way to give the best chance of survival.

This in itself is a crime.

Exactly!

Thanks Sago I am trying not to cry at this point.

MissAdventure

I think the father made pretty clear in his speech thay he is aware of failures to do right by his son.
He did it with a grace i could never manage in his circumstances.

Indeed he did and it's a crying shame that his plea could not be respected.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

I have tears in my eyes.
My boy is 18.
Thinks he's all grown up, but he's just a child in so many ways.

I feel traumatised by certain elements of that footage.

Goodness sorry about that post - I don’t know what went wrong - I’ll see if HQ will delete of

It's not offensive, Tuliptree
We've all done similar, I'm sure.

Well HQ was quick - I wanted it deleted because it was a real nuisance just stuck there

Sago

Tuliptree

ronib

The evidence if you want to call it that is that Henry Nowak took just over one hour to die from stab wounds. I don’t know how a pathologist would know for sure that with medical intervention, his life may have been saved or not.

Read the judges sentencing remarks. Some injuries are just not survivable even if you don’t die immediately . And experienced medics know this. I really don’t understand why based on zilch evidence anyone wants to believe he would have survived. It’s a pity ( in lots of ways) that the inquest is so far away.

It does not matter if he would have survived his injuries or not.

The Police did not act in such a way to give the best chance of survival.

This in itself is a crime.

Quite! What people are failing to grasp is that the police have a duty of care. It doesn't matter if Henry had been racist or not, nor whether his injuries were survivable or what etnic group any of them belonged to.

What none of us knows is what the situation was like when the police first arrived. My understanding is that there were only two minutes from the time of the arrival until it was realised that Henry was seriously injured. I don't think all of the two minutes has been captured on video (could be wrong).

With hindsight, it should have been realised that Henry was injured and an ambulance should have been called. I expect the inquiry will go over and over those two minutes to understand what happened. Did the officers follow the correct procedure? If not, why not?

What I do know is that speculation by thousands of online "observers" isn't going to bring Henry back or bring any comfort to the Norwak family. Hatred of the police as an organisation isn't helpful either.

I havent seen anyone express hatred for the police.
Not on here.

What none of us knows is what the situation was like when the police first arrived

Do you not research before saying things which are untrue, twaddle?

There is a clip, longer than 2 minutes which shows the police as they arrive and get out of their vehicle.

The 2 brothers are stood up as the police arrive and the father is bent down 'explaining' that he's trying to get Henry to sit up. He also mentioned blood coming out of his mouth. They lied about how he had fallen when he was trying to escape over the wall.

People are not speculating. They are commenting on what they've seen on police camera footage.

So just do a bit more research rather than criticise others

I have to agree.
Without open discussion, people would just accept that version of events wifhout question.

I was in a NHS hospital yesterday and the signage was completely wrong. An orthopaedic patient ended up walking much longer than necessary. The point is that when public services, including the police have severe shortcomings made public, it’s difficult not to engage. It’s almost self preservation.

I was wondering if when the police received the call from the brother, I'm assuming he had to give his name. And as we have heard there was a family history involving knives and violence, which didn't end in prosecution. So don't the police automatically find out any previous concerns before they attend the incident? And wouldn't that have made them wary of what the 2 brothers were saying? Or at least not taken it at face value.

twaddle

Sago

Tuliptree

ronib

The evidence if you want to call it that is that Henry Nowak took just over one hour to die from stab wounds. I don’t know how a pathologist would know for sure that with medical intervention, his life may have been saved or not.

Read the judges sentencing remarks. Some injuries are just not survivable even if you don’t die immediately . And experienced medics know this. I really don’t understand why based on zilch evidence anyone wants to believe he would have survived. It’s a pity ( in lots of ways) that the inquest is so far away.

It does not matter if he would have survived his injuries or not.

The Police did not act in such a way to give the best chance of survival.

This in itself is a crime.

Quite! What people are failing to grasp is that the police have a duty of care. It doesn't matter if Henry had been racist or not, nor whether his injuries were survivable or what etnic group any of them belonged to.

What none of us knows is what the situation was like when the police first arrived. My understanding is that there were only two minutes from the time of the arrival until it was realised that Henry was seriously injured. I don't think all of the two minutes has been captured on video (could be wrong).

With hindsight, it should have been realised that Henry was injured and an ambulance should have been called. I expect the inquiry will go over and over those two minutes to understand what happened. Did the officers follow the correct procedure? If not, why not?

What I do know is that speculation by thousands of online "observers" isn't going to bring Henry back or bring any comfort to the Norwak family. Hatred of the police as an organisation isn't helpful either.

You do realise you are one of the “thousands of online observers” speculating too. 🤔

I suppose that could be considered a waste of precious time, since they were goimg to what they'd been told was an assault?

That's true ronib. It is about self preservation and knowing what you might be dealing with. I went to see a neurologist and on the board outside he was written down as a urologist. I did check with him when I went in.