He has done it! The toolmakers son has resigned!

Really feel for Starmer who was never given the opportunity to carry out everything he planned. In my opinion his downfall were the poor decisions that Rachel Reeves made. From the beginning she made it costly for employers to employ workers.Therefore,young people were ever more destined to the frustration of living on benefits. As the welfare bill soared so did the criticisms of the government while Farage delighted in promoted the idea that they were needed to provide all the answers. Boat people, immigrants were all to blame. They had the answers even though Farage couldn’t even do his job in Clacton. Starmer made mistakes but he also improved relations with Europe and kept us out of Trump’s illegal war. He gained respect with his dealings with world leaders. What a refreshing change from that ragged mop head Johnson who had none of Starmer ‘s focus on detail and had no ability to study a political problem for more than five minutes before dashing off for the next photo opportunity.

Wyllow3

As for Starmer resigning, it is a big shock, but I do actually think he has done it quickly to maintain stability in what was inevitable - not making it a nasty long drawn out battle for the press to feast on for months - now that would not have been good?.

Part of him may be glad to step back - (goodness knows, I would) and a deal may have been done behind the scenes as to his future.

My feelings all along is that it is not a bad thing to have someone as a poster describes above "outside of the Westminster circle"

dont mistake me, I respect him greatly, but have respected him best on the international front and people see mainly the home front.

Starmer, as I recall from a post else thread yesterday (there was a long list of Labour achievements) has done a pretty good job but can't project it well.

His speech today was totally on par, it’s a great shame he couldn’t “project” better when it really mattered.

He’s done the right thing for our country today, sad as I am, I hope he can move forward with his wife and family in the knowledge that many of us did appreciate his work and did recognise that he and his team achieved some great things.

Good luck Sir Keir, and thank you.

AB, hope you’ve done your homework well and will do a good job, for the sake of our entire county, we all deserve it.

I hope you have the strength and sense to put Farage, Lowe and Trump very firmly in their place, I trust you will handle your poison chalice with great care, keep your ego in check, it’s not about you or even the LP, but us, those you and your team are paid to serve.

Serve us well please, with honestly, integrity and decency.

Heaven help you and us if the media turn on you

Lovetopaint037

Really feel for Starmer who was never given the opportunity to carry out everything he planned. In my opinion his downfall were the poor decisions that Rachel Reeves made. From the beginning she made it costly for employers to employ workers.Therefore,young people were ever more destined to the frustration of living on benefits. As the welfare bill soared so did the criticisms of the government while Farage delighted in promoted the idea that they were needed to provide all the answers. Boat people, immigrants were all to blame. They had the answers even though Farage couldn’t even do his job in Clacton. Starmer made mistakes but he also improved relations with Europe and kept us out of Trump’s illegal war. He gained respect with his dealings with world leaders. What a refreshing change from that ragged mop head Johnson who had none of Starmer ‘s focus on detail and had no ability to study a political problem for more than five minutes before dashing off for the next photo opportunity.

👏👏👏👏👏

nanna8

But he was a toolmaker’s son, wasn’t he ? Why so disparaging about toolmakers ? I don’t see that as an insult but tradies are very much respected in my country.

Once upon a time they were respected in this country.
That doyen of the Labour Party, Polly Toynbee referred to Starmers upbringing as humble
I dread to think how she would describe real poverty.
She represents the London elite that so many ( including me) despise.

He was too unassuming, neither he nor his PR team shouted loudly enough about the LP achievements.

And will the media give Burnham a chance to do it? I see the Mail is already mentioning a Messiah complex because he was wearing sandals in this heat.

Casdon

My thought is that it’s better to be a tool maker’s son than a tool. With the honourable exception of Sunak, that is what Starmer followed. We are now two competent PMs down, all due to tools of the media, and the other tools who are sucked in by the media.

Love your first line!

Made me laugh out loud!

Lovetopaint037

Really feel for Starmer who was never given the opportunity to carry out everything he planned. In my opinion his downfall were the poor decisions that Rachel Reeves made. From the beginning she made it costly for employers to employ workers.Therefore,young people were ever more destined to the frustration of living on benefits. As the welfare bill soared so did the criticisms of the government while Farage delighted in promoted the idea that they were needed to provide all the answers. Boat people, immigrants were all to blame. They had the answers even though Farage couldn’t even do his job in Clacton. Starmer made mistakes but he also improved relations with Europe and kept us out of Trump’s illegal war. He gained respect with his dealings with world leaders. What a refreshing change from that ragged mop head Johnson who had none of Starmer ‘s focus on detail and had no ability to study a political problem for more than five minutes before dashing off for the next photo opportunity.

Well said 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

And Farage, having won with his Starmer Out campaign is now calling for a general election. No surprise there then...

MayBee70

And Farage, having won with his Starmer Out campaign is now calling for a general election. No surprise there then...

I don't think Farage wants a GE Burnham has too much momentum - hope for a better future. It will be better for Reform if Burnham fails to improve all the issues that Starmer hadn't

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Casdon

My thought is that it’s better to be a tool maker’s son than a tool. With the honourable exception of Sunak, that is what Starmer followed. We are now two competent PMs down, all due to tools of the media, and the other tools who are sucked in by the media.

The old jokes are still the best and that’s very old.

MayBee70

And Farage, having won with his Starmer Out campaign is now calling for a general election. No surprise there then...

He’s such a complete and utter grifter, imagine him as a PM, it’s utterly laughable.

Sorry but the Tories, his first party, who set a precedent. Though I do think, he has a point! (Shock horror)

I’m hoping he’ll get bored with politics soon, he’s got money and several other jobs and he’s a “leader” I’d never ever miss.

David49

MayBee70

And Farage, having won with his Starmer Out campaign is now calling for a general election. No surprise there then...

I don't think Farage wants a GE Burnham has too much momentum - hope for a better future. It will be better for Reform if Burnham fails to improve all the issues that Starmer hadn't

Farage doesn't want to be PM either [too much like hard work]. But he enjoys the way he can manipulate people, aided by the media.

‘ In Labour's 126-year history, there has never been an official leadership challenge mounted against a sitting prime minister’

I wonder if we can put the full burden of blame on Starmer or do we need to ask ourselves why getting rid of serving PMs has become a trend in the past decade.
I think we have broken all records with the number of PMs we have got through and it obviously isn’t just the Tories.
So when Burnham is handed the poisoned chalice will he manage any better??
Or will we be having another leadership contest in a year/18 months??
There is something very wrong here but am not sure what??
Are PMs today not made of the same stuff as PMs years ago? Have interested parties pulling the government’s strings made it impossible for them to initiate the changes they promise prior to becoming PM? Or are the electorate, spurred on by social media, and dangerous algorithms that influence people’s opinions, now ungovernable??
I think is something that definitely needs to be addressed.

I have never been or ever will be a Labour voter but I do think Sir Kier Starmer has been very unfairly treated by the media and by many members of the public. Is this going to be the way the Prime Minister (whoever it is) will be treated in future? It was bad enough with all the Boris haters, now there are all the Nigel haters and so on.
I really do not look forward to Andy Burnham as PM, further to the left, or, perish the thought, Angela Rayner.
What have we done?

Wyllow3

Primrose you are missing the fact that the title is actually mocking or disparaging a whole group of our population, small people who make good on their artisan skills.
It wasnt necessary, it was goady. We've been asked X times not to be goady, look where it led us!

Just a reminder - I did not start this thread! 😉

MaizieD

What a horrible thread title. Starmer's detractors vindictive to the last.

It really is, isn't it?

We face significant global challenges, yet the dominant response in many developed countries appears to be replacing one leader with another.

While accountability is important, meaningful progress requires arguments based on evidence, intellectual rigor, and legal principles - not simply whichever opinions happen to be most popular at the moment.

Nandalot

And will the media give Burnham a chance to do it? I see the Mail is already mentioning a Messiah complex because he was wearing sandals in this heat.

How very appalling of him!

I’m sure as PM (if this is where he ends up), he’ll buy some decent suits and wear shoes, however, if he chooses not to then so be it.

As I rarely read the DM, it’s simply what I’d expect from them. Shame really as DM used to have some extremely good investigative journalists back in day. Now it’s all about slating those on benefits who dare wear false eyelashes and get their nails done, what people wear and finding dirt on anyone even slightly left of centre. Sad times!

Primrose53

Wyllow3

Primrose you are missing the fact that the title is actually mocking or disparaging a whole group of our population, small people who make good on their artisan skills.
It wasnt necessary, it was goady. We've been asked X times not to be goady, look where it led us!

Just a reminder - I did not start this thread! 😉

Wyllow can you explain, please what you mean by “small people?”

Fallingstar

‘ In Labour's 126-year history, there has never been an official leadership challenge mounted against a sitting prime minister’

I wonder if we can put the full burden of blame on Starmer or do we need to ask ourselves why getting rid of serving PMs has become a trend in the past decade.
I think we have broken all records with the number of PMs we have got through and it obviously isn’t just the Tories.
So when Burnham is handed the poisoned chalice will he manage any better??
Or will we be having another leadership contest in a year/18 months??
There is something very wrong here but am not sure what??
Are PMs today not made of the same stuff as PMs years ago? Have interested parties pulling the government’s strings made it impossible for them to initiate the changes they promise prior to becoming PM? Or are the electorate, spurred on by social media, and dangerous algorithms that influence people’s opinions, now ungovernable??
I think is something that definitely needs to be addressed.

Very well put and I agree.

MrsQuigley

I have never been or ever will be a Labour voter but I do think Sir Kier Starmer has been very unfairly treated by the media and by many members of the public. Is this going to be the way the Prime Minister (whoever it is) will be treated in future? It was bad enough with all the Boris haters, now there are all the Nigel haters and so on.
I really do not look forward to Andy Burnham as PM, further to the left, or, perish the thought, Angela Rayner.
What have we done?

Blame the media and public if you like but it was his own party who turned on him and led to his resignation.

I do think the public really turned on him when he was foolish enough to take the knee along with his Deputy Angela Rayner for the convicted criminal George Floyd. Many people were outraged.

ronib - it's what he does - all the time.

Rishi Sunak’s General Election Announcement Things Can Only Get Better

Theresa May’s Resignation Speech foghorn cry of "Stop Brexit!"

Prime Minister's Questions anti-Conservative and anti-Brexit parodies to oncoming MPs and Prime Ministers - tracks like The Muppet Show theme, Darth Vader's The Imperial March, and a parody of Yellow Submarine rewritten as ^"We all live in a Brexit tragedy."

As to why he does it he said (during a court appearance regarding noise levels), he intentionally protests audibly and visually at high-turnout political times so that the consequences of Brexit "will not be forgotten."
He said he witnessed first-hand the positive impact of EU funding in his home region of South Wales and felt compelled to fight against what he called the "Brexit mess."

I think the title of this Thread should be changed, to reflect the tone of a Gransnet discussion. Robust yes, but not goady.

Cossy

Fallingstar

‘ In Labour's 126-year history, there has never been an official leadership challenge mounted against a sitting prime minister’

I wonder if we can put the full burden of blame on Starmer or do we need to ask ourselves why getting rid of serving PMs has become a trend in the past decade.
I think we have broken all records with the number of PMs we have got through and it obviously isn’t just the Tories.
So when Burnham is handed the poisoned chalice will he manage any better??
Or will we be having another leadership contest in a year/18 months??
There is something very wrong here but am not sure what??
Are PMs today not made of the same stuff as PMs years ago? Have interested parties pulling the government’s strings made it impossible for them to initiate the changes they promise prior to becoming PM? Or are the electorate, spurred on by social media, and dangerous algorithms that influence people’s opinions, now ungovernable??
I think is something that definitely needs to be addressed.

Very well put and I agree.

I agree too.
Starmer aside, the growing trend is chaotic and unwelcome.